Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-12-03 Thread Patrick Moore
Procrastination is what I do best. BUT!!! What about that 2020 IGH Matthews? I finally happened. Slowly but eventually ... Re: LIbertas: My brother owes me some $$ to be repayed in kind; he has all sorts of kind including bike stuff that he picks up dirt cheap because he likes (very intelligent)

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-12-02 Thread Bill Lindsay
" I still haven't heard from the local builder" You can defer actual action FOREVER with that disclaimer... maybe that'll force you to think about "That Libertas". BL in EC On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 5:56:33 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote: > Thanks -- yes, I've noticed that Surly fixed

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-12-02 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks -- yes, I've noticed that Surly fixed cogs are thicker in the center than at the teeth. Will have to remove Monocog wheel and investigate the freehub to verify the space available. I'd read the BSNYC blog and noted the QR used with the "rocker" dropouts; his description actually tempted me

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-11-30 Thread Wesley
Hey Patrick, Maybe you've already completed your two-speed conversion, but if not, there is some useful info in yesterday's Bikesnob blog: https://bikesnobnyc.com/2023/11/29/dingle-all-the-way/ The key message is that the Surly single-speed cogs are thicker at the base so you could use one for

[RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-11-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Shimano: direct, x 1.364 and x .733, SA CS RK3 has 1.0, 1.33, 0.75. On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 7:13 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > Messing around online I discovered that Shimano offers 3 speed hubs with > rotor mounts and 135mm OL spacing -- interesting possibility. 32 x 20 with > 30 1/2" wheel --

[RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-11-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Oh! And at least 2 studies have shown that 3 speed hubs (well, at least those tested, but I assume all use the same simple, basic 1-epicycle design -- because: why not?) are not only no less efficient than derailleur ones but ever so slightly more efficient -- in the 0.0n range. And you can

[RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-11-24 Thread Patrick Moore
Messing around online I discovered that Shimano offers 3 speed hubs with rotor mounts and 135mm OL spacing -- interesting possibility. 32 x 20 with 30 1/2" wheel -- actual current measurement -- gives 49" direct, 65" overdrive and 37" underdrive (I am assuming Shimano uses the same ratios as the

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Excellent! Thank you! So there is serendipity in that the lockring threads match standard fw threads. Very good to know. Now I can simply overhaul that cheap ss freehub -- Redline? -- and don't have to spend $$$ for a DOS; *also* I can use the current 32 t ring with an outer, screw-on 15 t cog

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-29 Thread Wesley
Hi Patrick! I don't remember the hub, and I searched my email for hubs I bought in 2009 – I was only able to find the one I built into the front wheel. However! This exercise show something loose in my head and I now recall how I made the monocog into a two-speed (before whatever I did to add a

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-28 Thread Patrick Moore
Do you recall the hub you used with the unicycle rim? I seem to recall BMX freehubs that had room for 2 cogs. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 9:16 PM Wesley wrote: > Yeah, it looks marginal to get a second cog in there with a narrower > spacer. According to Sheldon Brown, 9-speed cogs want a 2.54 mm

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-28 Thread Wesley
Yeah, it looks marginal to get a second cog in there with a narrower spacer. According to Sheldon Brown, 9-speed cogs want a 2.54 mm spacer between the cogs: https://sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-spacing.html I now remember that my monocog became a three speed after I built it a pair of winter

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-20 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, John. I'd not seen that before. Funny, the Monocog has track ends with considerable room for axle movement but it has the old fashioned caliper mounts with no such adjustment. Perhaps that answers my question as two whether the caliper could accommodate 1/4" of axle movement. On Thu, Oct

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-19 Thread JohnS
Hello Patrick, Did anyone mention the All City Nature Box 853 SSCX disk brake bike? The rear disk brake mount is slotted to allow for alignment. No idea how easy that would be to adjust on the fly. JohnS [image: AllCityNatureBoyRearDropOut.jpg] On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 12:17:34 PM

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
The updated numbers now corroborate the qualitative claim that it won't fit. So, have you ordered your new Paul Disc WORD hub yet? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:50:30 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: > Sorry, not 5 mm, the usual ~2mm Shimano spacer. Actually I

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-18 Thread Patrick Moore
Sorry, not 5 mm, the usual ~2mm Shimano spacer. Actually I think it's a 9 speed spacer. On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 11:09 PM Bill Lindsay wrote: > Patrick Moore claims to have a 5mm spacer + a 3/32" cog on a hub. > Assuming his story is accurate, that's a stack up of 7.38mm > > Wesley said "put

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
Patrick Moore claims to have a 5mm spacer + a 3/32" cog on a hub. Assuming his story is accurate, that's a stack up of 7.38mm Wesley said "put another cog on there", to which Patrick Moore said there would be no room for the chain. 8-speed Shimano cassette cogs are 1.8mm thick, and the

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-17 Thread Patrick Moore
I could indeed get a second cog into the place of the spacer but there'd be no room for the chain. No, good thought, but you'd need 5 mm more of space for: big cog + spacer + small cog; then lockring. As it is, the big cog and small cog would have to butt up against each other; no room for

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-17 Thread Wesley
Ah. Can you not remove the 5mm spacer? That should be enough room for a second cog, IMO. -W On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:02:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: > Not mine, said by seller to be a 2012 model. I have a 5 mm spacer, then > the 3/32" cog, and then the lockring threads. > > Good

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-17 Thread Patrick Moore
Not mine, said by seller to be a 2012 model. I have a 5 mm spacer, then the 3/32" cog, and then the lockring threads. Good to know that the caliper (again, list, almost vertically atop the rotor at top dead center, but actually offset a cm or two forward) can accommodate a bit of fore/aft axle

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-17 Thread Wesley
Hey Patrick, My recollection of my monocog was that the freehub had room for three cogs. I think there were spacers on the hub that covered up most of the free hub - remove the locking and you can do adjust the spacers as necessary. If yours is the same, then you could just keep that wheel and

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-17 Thread Patrick Moore
Reinventing anachronistic technology at 100X the price. Wish I could afford it! On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 3:43 PM Bill Lindsay wrote: > Sounds like Patrick Moore is ditching his idea. That's a bummer. I was > hoping he would eventually pay an expert fabricator to build him a disc > brake two

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
Sounds like Patrick Moore is ditching his idea. That's a bummer. I was hoping he would eventually pay an expert fabricator to build him a disc brake two speed 2024 version of the Campagnolo Cambio Corsa. One QR lever and two small step gears, shiftable while riding! I wonder if anyone

Re: [RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-17 Thread Patrick Moore
That's interesting, and after blundering into a few search result pages about money markets and currency conversion I got: http://www.monebikes.com/read-me/ But he says nothing about adjustable chainstays, Still, he does talk about weird possibilities like 3" tires and drop bars, so I must

[RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-17 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
Ooh, a deeper look through the Mone website I just found a good example and a readymade XL frame that I wish I could just add to my stable right now as a SS and multigeared drop bar bike that currently has a Paul WORD disc hub with the same telescoping chainstays. Look through the photo album

[RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-17 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
I have no personal experience with single speed disc nor Rocker/Slider or any of the existing dropout configurations being discussed other than keeping a mental catalogue and casual interest of such things as I discover them... but what about telescoping chainstays? I recall seeing a few

[RBW] Re: Best way to arrange 2-cog manual shifting for "single speed" disc braked bicycle

2023-10-15 Thread Patrick Moore
I mean, the *DOS* fw is not made anymore and in any event wasn't made -- am I right? -- with 2-teeth gaps. (The Dingle isn't either, but I have a stash.) On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 4:11 PM Patrick Moore wrote: > ... The DIngle isn't made anymore and in any event wasn't made -- am I > right? --