Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-17 Thread Gintautas Šimkus
Panayotis Matsinopoulos, I think we agree on the issue of getting enough basic info from the initial ad text. I felt my thoughts about Greece was correct in general, but loosely (and harshly) phrased. So I take the bankrupt word back; though that's how I'd feel about this particular country of

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-16 Thread Agis A.
Really? From all the countries in the world you wouldn't relocate to Greece to begin with? On Friday, 14 September 2012 13:22:13 UTC+3, Peter Hickman wrote: And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) No salary

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-15 Thread Panayotis Matsinopoulos
Peter ... you are absolutely right. BTW1, Greece is very-very-very cheap and has fantastic weather and beautiful sea and beaches. :-) BTW2. I am certain that this job cannot come from a Greek company. Greek companies rarely use Ruby on Rails. Most of them use java technologies and .NET

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-15 Thread Gintautas Šimkus
Not sure if you aware of it or not but Greece has a high chance of going bankrupt. So that maybe where the concerns come from. Blue sea is nice when you can live in the country w/o a good chance for your company to be nationalized, drop in value, or start paying you in some bogus currency which

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-15 Thread Panayotis Matsinopoulos
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Gintautas Šimkus dihita...@gmail.comwrote: Not sure if you aware of it or not but Greece has a high chance of going bankrupt. So that maybe where the concerns come from. Blue sea is nice when you can live in the country w/o a good chance for your company to be

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-15 Thread Gintautas Šimkus
No problem. I deduce you are Greek. And that you tried to advocate working in Greece is similar to working in DE or US, which is not that case at this point. I mean people should decide by themselves where to work. And working in Greece (or any other country) is OK with me. I was just pointing

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-15 Thread Gintautas Šimkus
No problem. I deduce you are Greek. And that you tried to advocate working in Greece is similar to working in DE or US, which is not that case at this point. I mean people should decide by themselves where to work. And working in Greece (or any other country) is OK with me. I was just pointing

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-15 Thread Gintautas Šimkus
Well if a country requests billions in euros of help, it indicates that they are not 'well' nation wide. I meant that the country of work is important and should be mentioned in a job proposal. That's it. Yeah I must've missed the joke on this one. It looked like a Greek tried to defend the

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-15 Thread Panayotis Matsinopoulos
@Gintautas I agree with you that all the details of a job posting should be there from the beginning. But, please, exactly as you say that this mailing list is not a place to defend claims about Greece being a step from bankrupt you need to know that *this mailing list is not for you to tell

[Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-14 Thread AP
Our client is looking extremely bright individuals, who can help take this start-up to the next level. Send me your resumes. Requirements: - B.S. in Computer Science with 4+ years or M.S. in Computer Science with 2+ years of industry experience - Experience building large-scale

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-14 Thread Peter Hickman
And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) No salary (Without the location I have no idea as to the cost of living and cannot judge the value of the package) No company details (I have no interest in working for another me

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-14 Thread Dave Aronson
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Peter Hickman peterhickman...@googlemail.com wrote: And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job) That's the big one for me. If they can't even put such extremely important basic

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-14 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Dave Aronson googlegroups2d...@davearonson.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Peter Hickman peterhickman...@googlemail.com wrote: And this is why people complain about job ad on this list! No location (I will not relocate to Greece for this job)

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-14 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jordon Bedwell envyge...@gmail.com wrote: Jump down off the horse, join the real world. In the real world, *smart* recruiters include the essential information up front so they don't have to individually respond to every potential candidate asking the exact

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-14 Thread Peter Hickman
To be honest I always assume that the location is the US and given that an ocean lies between us stop reading them. Of course given the size of the US I would probably want to know at least the state they are in if I was American. A city would be preferable :) What gets to me is the lack of

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-14 Thread Dave Aronson
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Jordon Bedwell envyge...@gmail.com wrote: Most companies will state such a thing during the interview so why get your knickers knotted? Do you have infinite time for interviews? I'd much rather know ASAP that it's not going to pan out. It's just another form

Re: [Rails] (JOB) Looking for RoR Engineer

2012-09-14 Thread Dave Aronson
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Peter Hickman peterhickman...@googlemail.com wrote: To be honest I always assume that the location is the US As far as the ones I've seen on LinkedIn go, you're usually right, but in a significant number of cases it turns out to be somewhere in India. Of