Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-17 Thread G. M.-S.
Thanks for sharing this witty article, Karl-Dieter. Disclaimer: My knowledge of English is very limited. Guillermo On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 16:36, kcrisman wrote: > To John C's point, and perhaps with the humor that John P intended: > >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-17 Thread G. M.-S.
Just to say that while I try to build SagMath on macOS, for everyday use I rely on Marc's app, which works perfectly. And it is most useful for all macOS users I know, as installation is straightforward and it works "out of the box". In fact, I wish the same was true for Windows PCs… Guillermo

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-16 Thread kcrisman
To John C's point, and perhaps with the humor that John P intended: https://daily.jstor.org/in-which-we-science-why-nouns-become-verbs-because-language/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-15 Thread John Cremona
Please all cool it down. John On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 04:59, John H Palmieri wrote: > If I respond using "verb" as a verb, do you really think I'm seriously > criticizing you about using "vendor" as a verb? You're telling me to get a > life? Get a sense of humor. > > On Tuesday, November 14,

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread John H Palmieri
If I respond using "verb" as a verb, do you really think I'm seriously criticizing you about using "vendor" as a verb? You're telling me to get a life? Get a sense of humor. On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:45:07 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > I have not invented the verb "to vendor", I

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Dima Pasechnik
I'm only worried that I know more English words than native speakers... On Tue, 14 Nov 2023, 23:56 Michael Orlitzky, wrote: > On 2023-11-14 23:44:50, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > I have not invented the verb "to vendor" > > Don't worry, you are in good company: > >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 2023-11-14 23:44:50, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > I have not invented the verb "to vendor" Don't worry, you are in good company: https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1993/01/25 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Dima Pasechnik
I have not invented the verb "to vendor", I merely picked it up from Python docs and PEPs, e.g. https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0518/#configparser (this one was written by native English speakers, I think) You seem to prefer to pick on my supposedly broken English, rather than read Python

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread John H Palmieri
Not all Americans like to verb things so profligately. On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:15:07 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Nov 2023, 20:39 Matthias Koeppe, wrote: > >> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 11:39:52 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Tue, 14 Nov 2023, 20:39 Matthias Koeppe, wrote: > On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 11:39:52 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 7:22 PM Marc Culler wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 11:58 AM Dima Pasechnik > wrote: > >> I imagine it might be an artifact of the design

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 11:39:52 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik wrote: On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 7:22 PM Marc Culler wrote: > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 11:58 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> I imagine it might be an artifact of the design of Sage on Mac app >> Marc is releasing: >> vendor

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 7:22 PM Marc Culler wrote: > > I was hesitant to send that message because I didn't want to have to go > through this again. > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 11:58 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> > Does ./configure say why the system copy is unsuitable? > > > There is no

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Marc Culler
Thanks, Matthias. I will try to remember to check the timestamps next time. - Marc On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 12:56 PM Matthias Koeppe wrote: > I don't think this happens in normal development. When this happens in > your setup, check the mtime of the timestamps in >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Marc Culler
I was hesitant to send that message because I didn't want to have to go through this again. On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 11:58 AM Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > Does ./configure say why the system copy is unsuitable? > There is no system copy. I imagine it might be an artifact of the design of Sage on

[sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Matthias Koeppe
I don't think this happens in normal development. When this happens in your setup, check the mtime of the timestamps in local/var/lib/sage/installed. On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:37:09 AM UTC-8 Marc Culler wrote: > For me, one of the most frustrating parts of building sage is that, >

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 5:50 PM Michael Orlitzky wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-11-14 at 09:42 -0800, Marc Culler wrote: > > Of course I meant that I have to wait for everything that *depends on* gmp > > to be recompiled. Also, this happens when there is nothing wrong with the > > gmp build. The make

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On Tue, 2023-11-14 at 09:42 -0800, Marc Culler wrote: > Of course I meant that I have to wait for everything that *depends on* gmp > to be recompiled. Also, this happens when there is nothing wrong with the > gmp build. The make system decides that it is out of date even though the > build

[sage-devel] Re: Question about make dependencies

2023-11-14 Thread Marc Culler
Of course I meant that I have to wait for everything that *depends on* gmp to be recompiled. Also, this happens when there is nothing wrong with the gmp build. The make system decides that it is out of date even though the build was successful and the package was installed. - Marc On