Interesting to read a bit on her perspective. You need an anchor project to
get your teeth into and a mentor.
"She started to work in 2011 on the mainstreaming of Android code back into
Linux in her spare time. Unlike some people, she found the Linux kernel
developer community to be very
My comment was in reply to malgosia, which I do not believe is your name?
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019, Dave Cramer wrote:
It most certainly was.
Exactly what did I say that was offensive ?
Dave Cramer
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 18:20, Karen Lewellen
wrote:
Perhaps because it is not present?
Perhaps because it is not present?
Karen
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019, Dave Cramer wrote:
Karen,
Apparently sarcasm doesn't come through email very well.
Dave Cramer
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 18:01, Karen Lewellen via talk
wrote:
What makes it universally fun to sensor people? you indicate you
What makes it universally fun to sensor people? you indicate you know it
is fun...why?
I point that out because as your example illustrates generalizations tend
to make no sense, and fun must be at least understandable as fun no?
Kare
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019, Malgosia Askanas via talk wrote:
Understood.
Just pissed that after all that, there wasn't one post relevant to Linux.
This thread could have been nuked after the first few posts purely on
non-relevance.
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Malgosia, Dave,
I can give you a lecture about systemic inequalities and gender bias...
In fact, based on the reactions on the mailing list today it seems to be
an urgent issue we need discuss at one of our meetings.
Here is our Code of Conduct if anyone needs a reference on how to behave
Evan, please don't do this. This thread is beyond hope.
On 2019-03-13 5:18 p.m., Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
Just posted Monday:
https://www.lpi.org/blog/2019/03/11/will-robot-eat-your-job
While putting the link here may appear self serving, at least it's an
attempt to bring this thread
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 16:58, Malgosia Askanas via talk
wrote:
> So let me understand this. If a woman (me, for example) would bemoan the
> fact that 80% of participants in a certain field of endeavor are male,
> that's not gender discrimination, right? (I assume it isn't, since it goes
> on
So let me understand this. If a woman (me, for example) would bemoan the fact that
80% of participants in a certain field of endeavor are male, that's not gender
discrimination, right? (I assume it isn't, since it goes on all the time in all
kinds of media, without any visible censorship.)
Hello o1bigtenor,
What Ted Leslie said is not a proper citation.
Saying a bunch of derogatory things about a group of people and then
adding 'if true' is not a citation. This does not provide proper context
and is a violation of Code of Conduct.
This is a mailing list and not a court
Forgive the lack of signature.
This is a jointly drafted statement of GTALUG's board of directors.
We apologize for the confusion that omission may of caused. This comes from all
of us, not just Alex.
On March 13, 2019 3:36:23 PM EDT, Alex Volkov via talk wrote:
>Folks,
>
>
>In accordance
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:13 PM Alex Volkov via talk wrote:
>
> Okay Ted,
>
> This violates several rules of our code of conduct including discrimination
> based on gender and gender identity and you are banned from this list.
>
> I also removed Gary from the list because of repeatedly ignoring
Folks,
In accordance with our code of conduct, we feel it's necessary to
intervene on this thread. It has not been conducted in a constructive
manner, and veered into racism.
Those that have stepped out of line have been notified, and put under
the moderation queue. Further attempts to
Okay Ted,
This violates several rules of our code of conduct including
discrimination based on gender and gender identity and you are banned
from this list.
I also removed Gary from the list because of repeatedly ignoring my
warnings that the discussion about Boeing outsourcing is over.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 at 11:53, Alex Volkov via talk wrote:
> Okay everyone,
>
> I believe this discussion is moved way off-topic and I don't think
> anyone would change anyone else mind at this point.
>
> So we should leave it at that.
Yes, please.
Quoting from the rules about this list...
Harper in his "right here, right now" book - that just came out recently,
explained all of this, and also, even basically saying Trump probably will
not see out his term , and he is unstable, explained his election win, all
coming round to "trade deals", to which Harper claims in his tenure he
While the discussion centers around Indian workers, please do not forget
China. China has 1.4B people and they need work as well. The Chinese
government is willing to subsidize factories that export products. These
export products are therefore much cheaper than comparable North American
made
This whole thread is redundant. AIs (or more accurately Machine-Learning
systems) are already eating into many aspects of Law, Tech support, etc. They
will only expand… and will take over many of the low-value jobs domestic, or
outsourced.
And, of course, come the Singularity, nothing is safe.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 12:09 PM Dhaval Giani via talk,
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 5:05 PM Gary wrote:
> >
> > Dhaval, your dim view of the Indian value chain is unfounded because
> > India is now ranked 3rd in A.I. research. Indeed, if you're higher up in
> > the value chain in North
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 5:05 PM Gary wrote:
>
> Dhaval, your dim view of the Indian value chain is unfounded because
> India is now ranked 3rd in A.I. research. Indeed, if you're higher up in
> the value chain in North America then you certainly do run the risk of
> losing your job because, for
Dhaval, your dim view of the Indian value chain is unfounded because
India is now ranked 3rd in A.I. research. Indeed, if you're higher up in
the value chain in North America then you certainly do run the risk of
losing your job because, for example, A.I. research has to be pretty
high up in
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 5:01 PM James Knott via talk wrote:
>
> On 03/13/2019 11:59 AM, Dhaval Giani via talk wrote:
> > And whose responsibility is that? The market will support what it
> > will. I pay my share of taxes to ensure that those who can't support
> > themselves are not left behind.
>
On 3/13/19 11:53 AM, James Knott via talk wrote:
On 03/13/2019 11:49 AM, Dhaval Giani via talk wrote:
So, if you are higher up the value chain, you are not going to lose
your job anytime soon.
Out of the population, how many will be higher up the value chain? What
do the rest do?
In short.
On 03/13/2019 11:59 AM, Dhaval Giani via talk wrote:
> And whose responsibility is that? The market will support what it
> will. I pay my share of taxes to ensure that those who can't support
> themselves are not left behind.
And then we have people like Doug Ford, who cut taxes for the wealthy,
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 4:53 PM James Knott via talk wrote:
>
> On 03/13/2019 11:49 AM, Dhaval Giani via talk wrote:
> > So, if you are higher up the value chain, you are not going to lose
> > your job anytime soon.
>
> Out of the population, how many will be higher up the value chain? What
> do
On 03/13/2019 11:55 AM, Dhaval Giani wrote:
> Another problem is that people are not willing to pay the actual cost
> of the goods. If you are to pay the actual cost of labour, the prices
> are quite a bit higher. An example is a restaurant meal. That labour
> cost is subsidized by tipping. Either
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 4:49 PM James Knott via talk wrote:
>
> On 03/13/2019 11:22 AM, Dhaval Giani wrote:
> > What is this "good stuff" that is moving offshore? From what I can
> > see, stuff that is higher up the value chain is still in North
> > America, and is still going to remain here. And
On 03/13/2019 11:49 AM, Dhaval Giani via talk wrote:
> So, if you are higher up the value chain, you are not going to lose
> your job anytime soon.
Out of the population, how many will be higher up the value chain? What
do the rest do?
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Okay everyone,
I believe this discussion is moved way off-topic and I don't think
anyone would change anyone else mind at this point.
So we should leave it at that.
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On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 4:46 PM Gary wrote:
>
> No, I think YOU have misunderstood. When I download lectures I do so for
> the sole purpose of entertainment and nothing more; I'm a senior
> citizen. My thinking was that those individuals who enjoy science and
> engineering can still indulge that
On 03/13/2019 11:22 AM, Dhaval Giani wrote:
> What is this "good stuff" that is moving offshore? From what I can
> see, stuff that is higher up the value chain is still in North
> America, and is still going to remain here. And for a very simple
> economic reason. It costs the same $ value.
Well,
No, I think YOU have misunderstood. When I download lectures I do so for
the sole purpose of entertainment and nothing more; I'm a senior
citizen. My thinking was that those individuals who enjoy science and
engineering can still indulge that interest and yet support themselves
with jobs that
Let me guess he worked for TATA.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 9:43 PM mwilson--- via talk wrote:
>
> > Not to be left behind in an uncompetitive position, our Canadian
> > companies, too, are making great strides in reigning in costs by
> > shifting work offshore.
>
> A friend of mine had a job from
And that's what happened to me, I was a Dev for Rogers (The Cell side of
the biz) and they moved my work to India and said bye bye to me. As far as
I know after 1-2 yrs they brought the job back to Brampton. Because of the
issues where it would take double or more time to get things resolved
On 2019-03-13 11:22 a.m., Dhaval Giani via talk wrote:
> What is this "good stuff" that is moving offshore? From what I can
> see, stuff that is higher up the value chain is still in North
> America, and is still going to remain here. And for a very simple
> economic reason. It costs the same $
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 4:21 PM Gary via talk wrote:
>
> Well, as I had indicated in an earlier email, it is a fact that from a
> U.S. census 74% of those with STEM degrees do not work in STEM. This is
> my authority.
>
> However, even IEEE says that the "tech shortage" is just a myth:
>
I don't think that one can statistically make the case that one nation
or region of the world has better or less competent workers than any
other for the simple reason that "in country" variation is far greater
than the "between country variation". I think the more salient point is
that there
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 4:12 PM James Knott via talk wrote:
>
> On 03/13/2019 10:59 AM, Dhaval Giani via talk wrote:
> > James Knott wrote
> >
> > "
> >> Several years ago, many companies decided to cut costs by moving help
> >> desks etc. to India. Many have come to regret that decision, due to
Well, as I had indicated in an earlier email, it is a fact that from a
U.S. census 74% of those with STEM degrees do not work in STEM. This is
my authority.
However, even IEEE says that the "tech shortage" is just a myth:
https://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth
On 03/13/2019 10:59 AM, Dhaval Giani via talk wrote:
> James Knott wrote
>
> "
>> Several years ago, many companies decided to cut costs by moving help
>> desks etc. to India. Many have come to regret that decision, due to the
>> poor quality "help". In another thread, I mentioned how many put
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:51 PM Gary wrote:
>
> I think you've misconstrued the intent of our discussion.
o1bigtenor wrote
"
> A number of years ago I read that India is generating more engineers per year
> that the rest of the world combined. How good they are - - - - that's
> another
I'm also going to chime in and say this point is pretty ignorant
implying that the only vocational work is worthwhile.
You say you have some understanding of science, programming, linux and
AI, but have you done anything that's been used by other people? Have
your received any feedback on
I think you've misconstrued the intent of our discussion. The issue is
worldwide labour arbitrage where production moves to the lowest cost
region. This is a reality that must be fully appreciated by those
contemplating a career in North America. As you allude to in your
rebuttal, it is a
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:10 PM Gary via talk wrote:
>
> I believe the short answer is that if you live in North America, you
> should avoid wasting money on a costly academic education, even if
> you're very gifted, and, instead, focus on vocational training that can
> never be outsourced, such
I believe the short answer is that if you live in North America, you
should avoid wasting money on a costly academic education, even if
you're very gifted, and, instead, focus on vocational training that can
never be outsourced, such as postal work, fire fighter, ambulance
paramedic and
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