windywine wrote:
Using EDO with SPDIF coax to my Teac UD-H01 Dac, playing 192kHz material
does not work. After a few seconds of music the DAC fails to lock on to
the signal and starts clicking (the internal relais). Playing 176.4kHz
material works fine.
Playing the same 192kHz files using
eduardoo wrote:
Just a little more update regarding My SBT EDO kernel #12 Esoteric K-03
combo experiment.
Also, is it normal for the sample rate (when I check the status of the
USB output) to show something like 959998 rather than 96 every now
and then? I didn't check for other
Supertramp wrote:
I have been using my Touch + EDO together with a Classé CP-800
preamp/processor with great satisfaction for more than a year. This
week, I had my CP-800 upgraded to the latest model which carries new
electronics and as a result provides a few more capabilities such as
You CANNOT. repeat CANNOT just use a generic RJ45 jack with the touch.
The Touch uses an Ethernet jack which includes the Ethernet transformers
built in to the jack!!! You have to find one which includes the same
transformer connections (there are several different possible ways the
transformers
JohnSwenson wrote:
LMS runs great on linux, all my SB servers I've ever had have been on
some form of linux.
Are you looking to get a general purpose machine that runs linux to do
other standard tasks as well as running LMS or do you want a machine
that just runs LMS?
John S.
If you
LMS runs great on linux, all my SB servers I've ever had have been on
some form of linux.
Are you looking to get a general purpose machine that runs linux to do
other standard tasks as well as running LMS or do you want a machine
that just runs LMS?
John S.
A touch doing normal network playing operations takes about 1A. If you
use high sample rate music it takes a little more (1.3A or so). If you
use the internal TinyLMS it takes more, 1.8A or so. If you use a USB
drive on top of that it's an additional .5A, so max use with TinyLMS,
external USB
Yep, it is good and fried. It's not just one chip, a lot of things go
poof! in that scenario. Don't ask how I know!
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Handling 24/96 files from the TinyLMS is right on the edge of what the
Touch can do. If you are using FLAC the compression number is actually
important here. If you are using a high number (say 8) you can push the
Touch over the edge. Try using a low compression number (0 or 1), it
might work
dave4jazz wrote:
I am currently setting-up a SBT and have installed the EDO applet to use
the USB as an output to my Naim DAC-V1 USB. I have run the the
BitPerfect tests but only the 24 bit files pass. The 16 bit files all
report:
Audio is not BitPerfect
No test audio found
I can play
obraendl wrote:
@ Triode
i have any questions, is there a different in Sound quality when i use
SPDIF Coax or USB on my SBT to connect to my Audiolab 8200CDQ/V12E with
24/192 Files?
Why i need a USB Hub with the SBT, when i direct connect a MacBook Pro
with USB3 or an iPad Air with a
sprint wrote:
Thanks for the reply.
Good point about the sound card. I am also not sure how the audio output
via the Vortexbox USB port is being processed?
Is there anybody here who can advise?
In what way is the EDO enhancing the audio data over and above that
straight from the SBT
Wayne c wrote:
I have a meridian explorer USB dac and note that this works with the EDO
software can I ask a couple of questions please ( if anyone is using the
explorer that would be great if you could advise?,
1. Is it perfectly safe to plug the explorer into the USB socket on the
rear
hcanning wrote:
Thanks, I tried it and it worked a treat :) However:
My system is as follows:
Squeezebox Touch Audiolab 8200DQ Meridian 557 power amps (balanced)
I also have an Onkyo AV amp hooked up to an analogue input on the
Audiolab.
With the USB cable attached between
ruimoutinho wrote:
What is your suggestion?
It's better RCA analog or Digital optical? And differences between
toshlink and optical?
I only want the SQ for stereo music. Not multichannel.
Thank you
The Touch has 5 ways to get output:
headphone jack - analog
RCA line out - analog
agentsmith wrote:
Does it mean that the Devialet should in theory work with the Touch
Enhanced Digital Output provided it is using the XMOS solution?
If yes I will try to hack around with it.
I haven't really bothered to experiment much since I thought it would be
a dead end.
Yes, if
canyelles wrote:
Yes but I am not currently interested in 192
I want to uses the USB output because otherwise the USB input on the
Devialet will be unused and I have a number of digital sources.
Do you know what the USB receiver chip is on the 170? Do you know what
the maximum sample rate
Marc_S wrote:
Hi Mikael, I agree with your answers and I have a local running LMS as
well. The hobby is to have full functionality as best as possible, save
as best as possible power as well at home (even if it's only 20
Euro/year) and have the same successful recovery of the Touch after
An SBT with EDO can handled DoP in FLAC files quite well over both
S/PDIF coax and USB, AS LONG as your Dac supports DoP! Since the FLAC
file is a carrier, make sure you don't do anything that will change the
bits in any way. In particular set the volume to 100%, turn of replay
gain and turn off
This behavior is not actually a bug, it is the due to the fact that the
touch does not have a battery backed up clock. When it powers on it has
NO IDEA what the date and time are. The way the clock gets it's time set
is by connecting to an LMS (or mysqueezebox.com). It automatically tries
to
auster wrote:
This is related to posts #1562 - #1565
My second set is squeezebox touch connected to NuForce Dia amp. Since
DIA has DAC itself I installed EDO to SBT but it won't recongnize DIA.
When I go Setting Audio Setting Digital Output I only see two
options:
Analog + Digital
The USB protocol is definitely much more complicated than the SD
protocol, so the processor will be doing more with USB. Given that
running player and server on the Touch can come close to maxing out its
resources I would think that using SD cards would be better in that you
would be less likely
zaras27 wrote:
Yes of course all the rest are working .The only output that is not
working id the optical
The coax S/PDIF and optical S/PDIF come off the same wire on the board,
so there is nothing you can do with software that will make one work and
one not. Since the coax digital out is
DavidNL wrote:
Hi, in the first post you state:
Support of 176 and 192k playback via the standard digital
output
I suppose this plugin/app is not supported on the Logitech Transporter
to provide 192K playback via the standard digital output?
The TP does not have support for applets on
The TinyLMS on the Touch has two levels of scan, a check for new files,
and a full scan. The check for new files runs every time it boots up.
All it is doing is looking at the file name and date and comparing it to
its internal database. This is a very fast operation. If it finds any
music files
guidof wrote:
Hmmm. Following a failed attempt at using EDO+USB+Benchmark DAC2 D, I
switched to SPDIF (coax). Everything worked fine up to 24/96. But
playing a 24/192 track results in distorted sound and the LEDs on the
Benchmark show 24/44.1. (All this because I wanted to eventually test
kswanson wrote:
Nope, neither of those will fit in the support--diameter of the
connector is too large. I'll try to figure out how to post a pic. This
is really perplexing.
The Touch has never had anything other than a standard TOSLINK jack. We
really need to see a picture of what you have,
Actually you CAN play a DSD file through a Touch as long as you DoP
encode it. There are a couple different ways out there to take a DSD
file and DoP encode it which producesa 176.4 WAV or FLAC that you can
include in your files that LMS manages just like any other file. This is
NOT converting to
One thing that is very important for us to know is: are you listening
from the analog outs or do you have a DAC connected to one of digital
outs?
John S.
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turbot fiend wrote:
Resurrecting this thread. Does anyone know if I can connect BW MM1
powered speakers (built in DAC) to an SB Classic? MM1s only have USB
connect for digital via PC/MAC, although one can use a spearate aux jack
in for analogue. I want to connect directly to streamer -
PasTim wrote:
I have the enhanced kernel installed on my Touch. I'm running LMS 7.8
on a Vortebox appliance, playing FLACs, with the File Type set to PCM
only. The connection to the Touch is wired.
The Touch is outputting Digital (only) to a Musical Fidelity M1 Clic.
Once in a while
P Nelson wrote:
Is any one else having the problem with the clock losing time on the
Touch when running TinyLMS? After about a week, the clock will be about
five minutes slow. I have to connect the mysqbox.com to reset the time
and then reconnect to TinyLMS to fix the time.
It is like
lordgibbness wrote:
Anyone else know why the version of Linux on the Touch has issues with
USB Audio Class 1 DACs at 96kHz but is fine with Class 2 at 192kHz?
FYI, I don't currently own any audio files at this frequency (all of my
files or 16/44.1 FLAC and MP3), but in the future as 24/96
In addition to the username and password the workgroup name must be the
same for the SBT and your windows computer. By default the SBT has
WORKGROUP. Note this is NOT the same as a Win7 Homegroup. Win7 has a
separate workgroup name.
To see it in win7 goto control panel-system. This should show
alcarp wrote:
Does anyone know what chipset is used in the SBT? X86 or ARM?
It's ARM, Freescale iMX35 to be exact.
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cfuttrup wrote:
Hi Mnyb
P.S. I re-entered the Touch device to update time with msntp - just to
get on-par quickly - but discovered that the crontab directory had been
deleted (maybe when the device was rebooted). Is this normal behavior -
that the Touch wipes such changes upon reboot? I
Cut-Throat wrote:
Yup, probably toast..I go on e-bay and find another one. Used or
Refurb.
And then be careful..After all the SBT is now 'Vintage Gear' ... I
treat the SBTs just like my NOS 45 Globe TubesNo longer made, but
cherished.
Aha, 45 globes. I recently got a pair off
avta wrote:
I tried this but ran into a problem. Each time I changed music files
there was a loud pop that was independant of the position of the volume
control on the SBT. I went back to using a passive pre.
That seems to be a DAC specific issue, I'm using my DAC from SBT direct
to an amp
miab wrote:
Thank you John. You have always been a great help.
I currently am using my Touch with tt3.0 but I would love to be able to
use/see the screen as now it is disabled. In particular have you or
anyone else noticed a difference with or without the screen on the usb
output?
miab wrote:
Sorry, I don't have time to read all 120 pages (my 3 small kids keep me
from sitting for more than 2 minutes) but what is the consensus on
running EDO with or without tt3.0? For sending audio over usb as opposed
to spdif does it make a difference?
Thanks in advance.
I did
Mnyb wrote:
Was not that the design rationale behind the power supply John Swenson
designed ? As such interaction can come from traditional power supplies
to .
There is to much subjective bias anyway as no one reports worse
performance with any third party ps :) all linear power supplies
When the Touch boots up it trys to connect to mysqueezebox.com, if it
can connect it will get the time from there. This happens even if you
are not playing anything from mysqueezebox.com. Then when you try and
play something local it connects to your local LMS which will send the
time on THAT
The Touch does not contain its own battery backed up RTC. It has the
standard linux software clock, which runs off the processor interrupts.
So when the Touch powers up it does not have any correct time. It will
set it's software clock from the time it gets when it connects to an LMS
(either your
edmondwolfman wrote:
Ok, I just connected via coax and 192k plays just fine. Weird thing is
176k won't play at all. Everything else works except the 176k via coax.
The Touch and EDO can handle 176 quite nicely, so it is most likely your
DAC. For some reason 176 seems to not be supported in
edmondwolfman wrote:
If I don't use the Enhanced digital plugin every sample rate plays. I
guess the touch downsamples 192k to 96 and 176 to 88 when running in
standard mode.
The downsampling happens in the server not the Touch. All LMS
installations come with the program SOX which LMS uses
edmondwolfman wrote:
I'm working today so I just did a simple install and quick listen using
toslink and a 192k file. I'll try other sample sizes and then the coax
also when I get time.
Aha, 192 is at best problematic over TOSLINK. The current crop of
TOSLINK receivers does not have enough
edmondwolfman wrote:
I installed the plugin and changed to digital only. I get music for a
few seconds and then obnoxious static and then back and forth.
I have a Beresford Bushmaster DAC capable of input up to 192k.
What input are you using? (Coax, TOSLINK) What sample rates have you
On the digital filter issue here is what can happen:
lets say you are feeding the ADC in the recording studio an analog
waveform in which the peaks are exactly at the level to produce a Full
Scale (FS) output. What happens when a sharp peak (say a piano key
pressed hard) hits inbetween the sample
Sample rates greater than 96 have to be streamed as flac. Note this is
the stream format NOT the file format. LMS can transcode the file into a
flac stream no matter what the actual file format is on the disk.
You can do this through the LMS web page (port 9000 of the server
computer). Go to:
Davey Wilo wrote:
G'day fellas
I have just found these forums searching for an answer to a problem that
I'm hoping that you guys can help me fix, I've just taken delivery of an
Audiophilleo 2 with the Pure Power battery option, I treated myself to
it after borrowing a standard AP2 that I
This is one of those very difficult to answer in the general sense. I
have a $1200 CD player that does not sound as good as the Touch, but a
$4000 one which is a lot better. Non of my less than $1000 players are
better than the Touch, but that does not mean it is universally true. I
certainly
giantpopples wrote:
Hello !
I have recently bought a Emotiva A-100 amp which has a very nice
function : it detects when a signal comes from the stereo RCA input to
automatically power.
Problem is, I have hooked up my squeezebox touch and it seems that there
is always current on the RCA
mherger wrote:
Ok, I'm not totally new to this kind of solutions.
Please, could you give some hints, some starting point?
In Settings/Advanced you can enable SSH (Remote access). Then you'll
find the configuration file in /etc/squeezecenter. I'd suggest you play
with the prefs on
Mnyb wrote:
I would tryu by disabling upnp/dlna and all video and photo scanning
,untick video and photo for your music folder
+1 on this. The only time I have ever had a long (several hour) search
for new files was when my wife had been playing some games and wound up
with 40 million little
There is a new linux player called SqueezeLite, go check out the linux /
Unix forum. It is just a black box player, no Gui. To control the system
you need a controller of some sort, If you want to do the control on the
same ChromeBook, you can either use the Web gui of the server or you can
use
JJZolx wrote:
USB displays exist. Could software run on the Touch send video out of
the USB port?
I looked into this a while back, they work by having a driver which
hooks into the graphics system that is writing to the frame buffer,
compresses the data and sends it out over the USB port in a
Are you looking for a now playing display or do you also want the
menus etc on the external display? If you just want the now playing
Erland has a nice Android app (Squeeze Display) designed for Android
tablets. Some tablets even have HDMI out which could go to a LARGE
display.
John S.
It may be that the Touch is not getting it's time set. It does not have
an internal battery backed up clock, it keeps time via software running
on the processor, but the date and time has to get set somewhow. This is
normally done by connecting to an external server over the net. If the
Touch
Cavcalade wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to know if there is a way to play music stored on an Android
device that is connected to the same wifi network as the Squeezebox
Touch.
I'm happy with any solution.
Thanks!
There are three possibilities that I can see:
1) LMS on the android
toby10 wrote:
Toslink as a spec is more than capable of 24/192. But a lot of toslink
hardware imposes limits to 96.
There are several speed grades of TOSLINK, the lowest speed grades just
barely work with 96, 192 is beyond them. The higher speed grades can
handle 192 quite well, but if you
Waldo Pepper wrote:
I have never got DHCP to work with my Logitech devices so have been on
fixed IP since day one. I assume the router will not DHCP out IP's
assigned that are fixed. Does this have to be set up manually as I have
never bothered and does it assign from the lowest address
First I'd like to make it clear in my own mind what your setup looks
like, it sounds like you have a Touch, running TinyLMS with a USB stick
containing the music library. The Radios connect to the TinyLMS on the
Touch via Wifi. Is the Touch the only LMS?
It sounds like the problem is the Radios
furfurrain wrote:
Is it possible work if usb output to my usbdac (keces da-151) ?
Yes it should work.
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Johnnyg34 wrote:
I started to follow the instructions above and got stopped at number 2.
I got the message on my SB to set up a web browser in logitech media
manager. Does anyone know how to do this. I searched through the media
mgr but could not figure it out..
Thanks
Confused
pallfreeman wrote:
Is Factory Reset really what it says? I get the impression it isn't,
but maybe there's some way to make it so?
The Touch uses a union file system. It has the filesystem in the
firmware image (the fab4.bin) and a changed filesystem. Any changes to
any files in the firmware
garym wrote:
My understanding is that the TOUCH and RADIO do *not* get their firmware
from the local LMS (unlike the older players). Of course with the TOUCH
there is a method for updating the firmware on a USB drive or SD Card.
I also have two new radios and I was going to do the same
Supertramp wrote:
Can Triode's EDO and Display Off components also be installed without
mysqueezebox.com. I have been looking under the plug-ins section in the
LMS web client, however I cannot find them. Just like to make sure I can
(re-)setup my SB Touch as a USB streaming client post the
Mnyb wrote:
Yes the metal stand is not blue :) ;) I always leave the blue on, I like it!
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gharris999 wrote:
John: I don't think you've answered my question...which is: how does one
set up a -BRAND NEW- SBTouch that's never been powered on before without
having to connect to mysb.com?
The procedure you describe above seems to be for a SBTouch that's
already been configured for
gharris999 wrote:
Wha?? Sorry, I fell asleep holding the left corner.
Seriously, left remote button press didn't work; swiping didn't work;
pressing and holding the upper left corner didn't work. I'd like to
hear confirmation from JohnSwenson that pressing and holding the upper
left
JJZolx wrote:
Thanks, John. Did you say that the initial from-the-factory setup
differs from an after-factory-reset setup? (Maybe it was someone else.)
The out of the box initial setup and the factory reset setup may be
the same, but I'm not sure, remember that the factory reset does not
OK, I found out how to do the setup out of box or after a factory reset
without mysqueezebox.com.
The basic thing to know is that when you are in a screen that is not
going anywhere or trying to connect to mysqueezebox.com or some other
screen which wants you to do something you don't want to
pallfreeman wrote:
I'm pretty sure I suggested that in another thread and somebody told me
it wouldn't work.
Oh well. I'll just have to try it for meself.
I'm confused now about what your configuration is and what exactly you
want to do. Please reitterate here and we can probably come up
lake_eleven wrote:
I connected HRT MS II+ DAC directly to the touch without the hub. The
sound was much refined with low noise floor. it was a really big
difference.
Will there be a fix from Logitech or other 3rd party to deal with this
issue of needing to use hub to connect an async dac.
pallfreeman wrote:
No offense intended, but: LOL. I started to type in my configuration
then realised I'd be here all night. :)
Let's just say it's a large and complicated configuration, and what I
want to do is to be able to set up a Touch without it connecting to the
outside world,
Yesterday I got a new Touch in and tried a number of things to try and
get it setup without connecting to mysb.com. No luck. The intial screen
that tries to connect to mysb.com cannot be over-ridden with the
swipe. I tried putting the firmware on a USB stick, that made no
difference. I tried
cliveb wrote:
I am a long time SB user (since 2005) but have never owned a Touch. Nor
have I ever used mysb.com. I use a local library and occasionally listen
to some internet radio via the local LMS (version 7.6.1). Given the
recent news from Logitech, I'm contemplating buying some backup
Benefactor wrote:
Pardon my very dumb question, but do you mean just browse to your local
music library?
I just picked up a 2 Touch units as spares, and want to make sure they
are set up correctly before I put them away for safekeeping.
That is correct, just go to the music on your local
cliveb wrote:
John - thanks for the detailed info. Your reply arrived while I was in
the middle of composing my previous follow-up.
One final question: if I were to load the correct firmware from a USB
stick, does that mean it need not connect to mysb.com at all? Is there
some step in the
Do you know what the USB chip actually is? The literature is very vague
about what USB chip is used.
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The reason you need the server is because thats the way the entire
squeezebox system was designed. It was designed from the ground up as a
SYSTEM of server and players, the players get their audio data from the
server over a network. All the squeezebox players have used this
system. The Touch is
jean2 wrote:
I'm sorry, but this does not make sense on multiple levels. The
processor has most likely a serial and JTAG insterface, however the
hardware guys did not put a RS232 console or JTAG connector on the back.
With the cost and leadtime of industrial design, the decision to add a
Do the files by any chance have embedded cover art? That can add a
significant amount of overhead to TinyLMS.
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You have to remember that there are two types of scans, the initial full
scan and then the quick scan which is invoked every boot after that.
The first time you plug in a drive with a bunch of music it will not
have a database on the stick, so it will do a full scan of all the
files, it reads
Too many questions here to reply to each separately.
When using one of the software players on a computer on your network
(hardwired or wifi) it connects to the server just like any other SB
player. IF you are using the tinyLMS on the Touch it can actually serve
music to a software player on a
toby10 wrote:
You can turn off the auto brightness, set to manual, then adjust
brightness to desired level. Now it should always stay the same
brightness.
Not completely true, there is a slight dimming of the display which
always happens a few seconds after you stop touching the screen,
jeromeharris wrote:
Has anyone posted a function-oriented description of the various
hardware and software elements of the SBT--sort of a system
architecture portrait?
You asked for it!
I'll describe the architecture for the newer devices such as the SBT,
it's slightly different for the
Turnandcough wrote:
Thank you for the straightforward answer.
A flac stream carries sample rate information which knows about 192.
The method of streaming PCM didn't know about 176 and 192, this was
added to 7.8. Note that you have to have both the 7.8 server and the
7.8 firmware in the
soundcheck wrote:
Hi folks.
Havn't been around for a while. Just got back to the Touch (after
running my iPad as player for a while)
Got a question. Not sure if it's a known or my problem. I didn't scan
the last 60 pages of this thread.
I have LMS 7.7.2 under Linux running and
lake_eleven wrote:
The gain is set to MAX. I am thinking if this hub is an issue.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1306462CatId=4753
I'm not talking about the volume, I'm talking about replay gain which
is a tag that some files carry which causes the
Whether a 7 tablet is going to be big enough from across the room is
going to depend very much on you and your eye sight. Subjectively they
are quite a bit bigger than the screen on the Touch. But of course a 10
is quite a bit bigger.
Erland has a really nice now playing android app called
joe90 wrote:
Thanks All - So it looks like a TT3 bug, shame because it did subtly
change the sound to my liking but I guess that's another story... Can
any of the TT3 aficionados out there confirm whether they have
experienced this also as I would like to have it all!! i.e TT3 (minus IR
lake_eleven wrote:
The vol is set to max. The issue is only with 24/96 flacs.
24/96 flacs play back fine on my HRT StremerII (using a hub). The only
thing I can think of is that you might have replay gain turned on and
the 24/96 files have a low volume replay gain tag. You can turn off
replay
Aha! Gamma rears it's head again.
This all starts with the characteristics of CRT tubes. A CRT tube does
not have a linear transfer function, if you double the input voltage the
light on the screen does not double. The function of the curve
traditionally uses the greek letter gamma, so this
Just to reiterate what others have said, mysqueezebox.com is NOT repeat
NOT used in anyway when you connect the Touch to your local server and
play files located on that server. It will be used for certain online
services as Erland mentioned. Going directly to internet radio stations
will also
stop-spinning wrote:
Excellent John, so in summary, a good example of an async USB DAC is the
MDAC, therefore with the well engineered MDAC, there is no need for an
intermediate re-clocker (or any form of clock upgrade), simply because
the MDAC is one example of a well implemented async USB
None of the usual backup methods are going to work properly for the
Touch as far as a COMPLETE full exactly as it normally is state. The
reason for this is that the Touch uses a union file system. In a union
filesystem there are multiple physical file systems that are combined at
run time to
JJZolx wrote:
The 'controller' was only an integral part of the Duet system, not of
any other Squeezebox product. All other Squeezeboxes are controllable by
an IR remote and, on some, a front panel or touch screen. These other
interfaces are not connected via network, although their
As one who has actually done a clock upgrade I can say that it DOES
significantly improve the sound of the analog outs. By clock upgrade I
mean replacing the two audio crystals that generate clocks that are used
to derive the timing for the data going to the DAC chip and the S/PDIF
outs (coax and
At this point I think you need the architectural model of the squeezebox
system, I think it will make things go a lot smoother for you.
There are three components in a squeezebox system: player, server and
controller. Each of these is connected via a network.
Think of the player part as black
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