Re: [correction] The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Mike Wright
On 4/17/24 17:37, Mike Wright wrote: From what I read X11 suffered from mission creep and a lot of features that should have been in the windowmanagers ended up in X11 and will never be in Wayland. -- ___ users mailing list --

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Jeffrey Walton writes: Wayland is still pretty immature when compared to X11. It would be nice if Wayland was more mature before we are forced to switch to it.  The question on everyone's mind is: well, here's a video card that works fine with X. It's 5-10 years old, one of mine is even

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Mike Wright
On 4/17/24 12:30, Go Canes wrote: On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:48 PM John Mellor wrote: With X being a completely unmaintainable mess, all new and bugfix development stopped about 2 years ago. Most disturbing is that for the last 2 years there have been essentially no security fixes as a

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/17/2024 05:09 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: There are: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap basically, the plan is to have prelim support in the next release (4.20) and refine/improve it after that. Excellent! Thanx for bringing that to my attention. --

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 19:36:45 -0400 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > Wayland is still pretty immature when compared to X11. It would be nice if > Wayland was more mature before we are forced to switch to it. That seems to be the standard linux "improvement" path. Get rid of something everyone uses,

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:14 PM Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:56:44 -0600 > Joe Zeff wrote: > > > And so will I along with everybody using Xfce as I don't know if there > > are even any plans yet to make it Wayland compatible. > > Has Wayland (or the compositor, or whatever they

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 03:30:32PM GMT, Go Canes wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:48 PM John Mellor wrote: > > > > With X being a completely unmaintainable mess, all new and bugfix > > development stopped about 2 years ago. Most disturbing is that for the > > last 2 years there have been

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 07:27:21AM GMT, Tim via users wrote: > On Wed, 2024-04-17 at 13:47 -0400, John Mellor wrote: > > However, given that absolutely everyone today has compute power > > on their desk and everyone has a gpu for things like compositing instead > > of what was available back

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:56:44AM GMT, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 04/17/2024 11:08 AM, t_...@tiscali.it wrote: > > I'm on fedora since years. > > If they'll completely drop X11, I need to change distro. > > Any suggestion on which distro is good for continuing to > > use the "VERY OLD" X11/Mwm ? > >

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2024-04-17 Thread James Chapman
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Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Tim via users
On Wed, 2024-04-17 at 13:47 -0400, John Mellor wrote: > However, given that absolutely everyone today has compute power > on their desk and everyone has a gpu for things like compositing instead > of what was available back when X was designed Bullshit! -- NB: All unexpected mail to my

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Go Canes
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 1:48 PM John Mellor wrote: > > With X being a completely unmaintainable mess, all new and bugfix > development stopped about 2 years ago. Most disturbing is that for the > last 2 years there have been essentially no security fixes as a result. I have heard that there

Re: Stuck at grub prompt after reordering partitions

2024-04-17 Thread Go Canes
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:42 PM Klaus-Peter Schrage via users wrote: > I faintly remembered the dracut thing, so I tried that first - but it > didn't help. If the other problems aren't resolved, rebuilding initramfs probably won't help. > I will look into the UUID stuff tomorrow, although I

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:56:44 -0600 Joe Zeff wrote: > And so will I along with everybody using Xfce as I don't know if there > are even any plans yet to make it Wayland compatible. Has Wayland (or the compositor, or whatever they imagine is responsible) got the ability yet to remap keyboard

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/17/2024 11:08 AM, t_...@tiscali.it wrote: I'm on fedora since years. If they'll completely drop X11, I need to change distro. Any suggestion on which distro is good for continuing to use the "VERY OLD" X11/Mwm ? Thanks And so will I along with everybody using Xfce as I don't know if

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread John Mellor
With X being a completely unmaintainable mess, all new and bugfix development stopped about 2 years ago.  Most disturbing is that for the last 2 years there have been essentially no security fixes as a result.  A couple of distros have done some critical bugfixes to try to keep the dead horse

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread t_pol
On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 14:00:00 +0200 Dario Lesca wrote: > Ok my notebook I work with Fedora from Core 1 with Gnome on Xorg-x11 > > I would like to continue to work with Gnome on Xorg-x11 ... even after > version 40 > > What is the best way to do that without change distro? > > Many thanks >

Re: Stuck at grub prompt after reordering partitions

2024-04-17 Thread Felix Miata
Klaus-Peter Schrage via users composed on 2024-04-17 16:48 (UTC+0200): > After many years of maintaing dual boot setups (Fedora/Windows) my > harddisk layout got a bit confusing: Linux and Windows partition were > scattered on mainly two harddisks (all gpt). I was able to free a third > harddisk

Re: Stuck at grub prompt after reordering partitions

2024-04-17 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage via users
Thanks for your quick reply! I faintly remembered the dracut thing, so I tried that first - but it didn't help. I will look into the UUID stuff tomorrow, although I had already checked that gparted really did not change UUIDs when  moving partitions around. And as I said, I can get into Fedora

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Go Canes
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:38 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > As I understand it, X11 will still be installable, though I don't know > how long that will last. I think the only long-term hope for those of us that require capabilities that X11 provides (and Wayland does not) is that either Red

Re: Stuck at grub prompt after reordering partitions

2024-04-17 Thread Go Canes
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:48 AM Klaus-Peter Schrage via users wrote: > But rebooting still gets me to the dreaded grub>. > So what am I missing? > BTW, I did NOT use the grub2-install command which shoud not be used on > UEFI systems. I recently had similar problems. These are the things to

Re: The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2024-04-17 at 14:00 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote: > Ok my notebook I work with Fedora from Core 1 with Gnome on Xorg-x11 > > I would like to continue to work with Gnome on Xorg-x11 ... even > after > version 40 > > What is the best way to do that without change distro? As I understand it,

Stuck at grub prompt after reordering partitions

2024-04-17 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage via users
After many years of maintaing dual boot setups (Fedora/Windows) my harddisk layout got a bit confusing: Linux and Windows partition were scattered on mainly two harddisks (all gpt). I was able to free a third harddisk (ssd) and copied the linux partitions boot, root and home over to the new disk,

Re: a tool like xte(1) but for Wayland?

2024-04-17 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Apr 16, 2024, at 15:22, Don Marti wrote: > > I have some old shell functions that use xte to fake some keyboard input. > For example, this is a function to run its argument(s) in a new > gnome-terminal tab. > > run_in_tab () > { >xte 'keydown Control_L' 'keydown Shift_L' 'key t'

The best way to still use Fedora + Xorg + Gnome ... even after version 40

2024-04-17 Thread Dario Lesca
Ok my notebook I work with Fedora from Core 1 with Gnome on Xorg-x11 I would like to continue to work with Gnome on Xorg-x11 ... even after version 40 What is the best way to do that without change distro? Many thanks -- Dario Lesca (Inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 39 Workstation) --