Great discussion. I've been asked to present at the Orange County Multimedia
Web Video SIG next week on this subject and this post has been an invaluable
resource. Thanks to everyone for sharing links and opinions.
Its interesting and exciting to see progress made with these tools, but I still
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:31 PM, adammerc...@att.net adammerc...@att.net wrote:
Lets face it, without Flash, there would be no web video as we know it today.
There would be no Vimeo, or Blip.
and no Youtube!
Only 2 billion or so videos served a day.
Dave.
started in 1969 and is still going today
Corporations fold or merge ever 5 years
tom_a_sparks
--- On Mon, 7/6/10, adammerc...@att.net adammerc...@att.net wrote:
From: adammerc...@att.net adammerc...@att.net
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: WebM Project
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
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hi all
I've kept out of this, but comments below, sorry Tom, Linux is open source
(it was written, quite recently in the history of unix, because there was
*no* open source unix), but unix is not open source, never has been.
Proprietary all the way as far as I know:
--- On Mon, 7/6/10, Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@rmit.edu.au wrote:
From: Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@rmit.edu.au
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: WebM Project
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, 7 June, 2010, 9:13 PM
hi all
I've kept out
Adam M: Its interesting and exciting to see progress made with these tools,
but I still dont quite get the whole open source movement. Why is it such a
big deal, especially in regards to web video? Or any content for that
matter?
Adam/All:
I am in the same boat; with similar sentiment. Though
Just as a side note - and me being the documentary guy in the group - if you
want to know more about the Unix/Linux open source OS history - there'a a
great 2001 doc called Revolution OS - which you can conveniently watch in
entirety online here
Regarding flash:
It certainly got round the nightmares with OS differences, install this plugin,
etc etc, and played a massive role in videoblogging and other video on the web
going mainstream in a big way. Its kinda hard to imagine vlogging taking off to
the extent it did without flash, but
Just catching up after week away, reading the various breakdowns
speculations.
So WebM only matches h.264 baseline profile for quality, and is
bulkier and slower and uses more power? But surely the point is that
this is just the beginning of an open development process?
And isn't the
Re full page video: Odd how few cool tools have been made with HTML5
video so far. It'll be interesting to see what the HTML5 version of
Navigaya.com looks like, which they say is coming soon. Recently
launched as Flash only - nice full page video/web TV, social media
browsing interface -
Not familiar with navigaya.com.
Dont see info on site and requires login to go deeper but no signup.
Care to elaborate?
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Rupert Howe rup...@twittervlog.tv wrote:
Just catching up after week away, reading the various breakdowns
speculations.
So WebM only
If you can get past the presenter's weird boob jiggling, this demo
video shows it off quite well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lp8aMhluDs
It's a closed, walled-garden Flash deal. More like a set top box
interface. But pretty and full of features - more on the way. Will
be interesting
Yeah I shall give it a year to see hwo it does before reaching any conclusions.
At this stage by biggest problem is how much CPU it uses to playback, quality
seems ok to me but CPU use is not. Hope that can be improved substantially and
the hardware (eg GPU) decoding stuff happens quite
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM, elbowsofdeath st...@dvmachine.com wrote:
Meanwhile apparently someone that knows a bit about the tech of video codecs
had an initial look at VP8 and was quite concerned about some similarities in
certain functions to h.264. This leaves the door open for
Oh and I forgot to post the link to the WebM discussion group:
https://groups.google.com/a/webmproject.org/group/webm-discuss/topics
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Michael Verdi mich...@michaelverdi.com wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM, elbowsofdeath st...@dvmachine.com wrote:
Here is an article about the developer who has looked at VP8 and found
various problems. Hopefully the reality is not as bad as the article
suggests, but in the rush to something free and open it would be all to easy
to overlook or dismiss these issues, and then maybe suffer pain later:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote:
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If anyone is doing any video experiments with html5 (and VP8)...please post!
I'd love to oblige and do some encoding in VP8 and play back in HTML5. I'll
share. But how do I get a VP8 encoder for the Mac? I
It always takes some time for developers to work their magic and create stuff
that end-users can use. I expect there to be a good mix of free low-price
encoders, along with integration into many existing tools.
Its very early days, and the lack of encoders isnt much of a problem at this
Yes, there are apparently big time issues with not just functions but out
and out code shared with h.264, and with some inefficiencies in the current
implementation. But it's early.
I'm actually not all that happy about this announcement. If I had any
confidence that VP8 would be quickly,
Here is an article about the developer who has looked at VP8 and found various
problems. Hopefully the reality is not as bad as the article suggests, but in
the rush to something free and open it would be all to easy to overlook or
dismiss these issues, and then maybe suffer pain later:
And here is the developers original post:
http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377
There is a lot of very technical info in there, which is too much for me, but
Im certainly concerned about some of the issues he highlights.
yay for open. Boo for the messy possibly premature launch spec,the waste
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton bhin...@... wrote:
Yes, there are apparently big time issues with not just functions but out
and out code shared with h.264, and with some inefficiencies in the current
implementation. But it's early.
I'm actually not all that happy about
I don't know too much about this, but I've been following html5 developments
as much as my brain will allow me. It seems that for browsing on desktops
and laptops, this bodes well for the immediate future as far as
interactivity. But as for other video playback devices, h264 is going to
hold on
Here is the project website:
http://www.webmproject.org/
I hope it does well and they can make the encoding and decoding efficient quite
quickly, and that lots of tools sprout up quickly.
Its almost still to early even to do some initial testing, but I shall give it
a go in the coming days.
Here is the project website:
http://www.webmproject.org/
I hope it does well and they can make the encoding and decoding efficient
quite quickly, and that lots of tools sprout up quickly.
It is indeed good news. Think of how this discussion has unfolded the
past year. Ogg/Theora went from a
You can go see WebM in action:
Get a Firefox nightly at http://bit.ly/d2xhKm opt in to the YouTube
HTML5 beta at http://bit.ly/NkgJd watch WebM video at
http://bit.ly/cG7zlU
- Verdi
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the project website:
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