Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread fantasai
Sander wrote: Hello, I'm not sure whether this has been requested before, but the link to the archives of this list seems to be broken at the moment, so I give it a try... I'd like to see an extension of the hyperlink to give it an HTML-only print function. Nowadays making a print link

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Křištof Želechovski
The acronym URL expands to Uniform Resource *Locator*. The string print:# does not match this spec: it is not a locator, it is a processing instruction. BTW, the full form of the local URL # can be viewed as html:# (whether it is allowed by the URL standard or not) which means that you need a

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Anne van Kesteren
I'd like to see an extension of the hyperlink to give it an HTML-only print function. Nowadays making a print link available from within a website always involves client-side scripting. This dependency should not be necessary for something like printing as it is basic functionality in most

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Lachlan Hunt
fantasai wrote: Sander wrote: I'd like to see an extension of the hyperlink to give it an HTML-only print function. Websites shouldn't need to have a print link, they should provide a print style sheet with link rel=stylesheet media=print src= UAs should be automatically applying the

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Sander
Anne van Kesteren schreef: I'd like to see an extension of the hyperlink to give it an HTML-only print function. Nowadays making a print link available from within a website always involves client-side scripting. This dependency should not be necessary for something like printing as it is

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Sander
Křištof Želechovski schreef: The acronym URL expands to Uniform Resource **Locator**. The string print:# does not match this spec: it is not a locator, it is a processing instruction. BTW, the full form of the local URL # can be viewed as html:# (whether it is allowed by the URL standard

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Sander
Sander Tekelenburg schreef: At 07:12 +0200 UTC, on 2007-07-28, Sander wrote: Well, it can be usefull from a usability point of view to offer this function from within the web page, for instance: you may want to print this confirmation, where print is a link that actually prints the page.

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Stijn Peeters
Sander schreef: Křištof Želechovski schreef: The acronym URL expands to Uniform Resource **Locator**”. The string “print:#” does not match this spec: it is not a locator, it is a processing instruction. BTW, the full form of the local URL “#” can be viewed as “html:#” (whether it is allowed

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Sander
Stijn Peeters schreef: Sander schreef: Křištof Želechovski schreef: The acronym URL expands to Uniform Resource **Locator**”. The string “print:#” does not match this spec: it is not a locator, it is a processing instruction. BTW, the full form of the local URL “#” can be viewed as

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:02:46 +0100, Sander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see how that is good usability. Quite the contrary, because this approach means things work different on each website. That's confusing; incosistency makes things harder to use. A print method that works the same

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Stijn Peeters
Sander schreef: Stijn Peeters schreef: Sander schreef: Křištof Želechovski schreef: The acronym URL expands to Uniform Resource **Locator**”. The string “print:#” does not match this spec: it is not a locator, it is a processing instruction. BTW, the full form of the local URL “#” can be

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Sander Tekelenburg
At 20:02 +0200 UTC, on 2007-07-28, Sander wrote: Sander Tekelenburg schreef: At 07:12 +0200 UTC, on 2007-07-28, Sander wrote: [...] incosistency makes things harder to use. A print method that works the same across web sites is much more usable. I don't think it's confusing as the

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Stijn Peeters
Křištof Želechovski schreef: href=print://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/ is no good; it asks the browser to find the resource using the print protocol. But the print protocol is for printing, not for finding resources; I imagine it could be used for finding out some printer

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Křištof Želechovski
Of course, both the host name and the printer name can be empty, which means the browser should let the user select the printer taking into account the capabilities required and the local policies. The browser can give the user a hint about the best matches. Cheers Chris -Original

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Sander
Sander Tekelenburg schreef: Your main argument for a print links seemed to be that some people might not know where to find their UA's print command (hard to believe -- even IE by default presents a shiny print button always). Well, Opera doesn't show a print button for instance. Giving

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Stijn Peeters
Sander schreef: Sander Tekelenburg schreef: Your main argument for a print links seemed to be that some people might not know where to find their UA's print command (hard to believe -- even IE by default presents a shiny print button always). Well, Opera doesn't show a print button for

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Sander
Křištof Želechovski schreef: href=print://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/ is no good; it asks the browser to find the resource using the print protocol. But the print protocol is for printing, not for finding resources; I imagine it could be used for finding out some printer

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Křištof Želechovski
You need not configure the printer from the HTML if you do not want to; I only wanted to show what is ultimately possible. I think it could make sense on corporate intranet. You can strip my example to what you consider essential if you like, but once we agree upon such a feature, it seems

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Sander Tekelenburg
At 23:02 +0200 UTC, on 2007-07-28, Sander wrote: Sander Tekelenburg schreef: Your main argument for a print links seemed to be that some people might not know where to find their UA's print command (hard to believe -- even IE by default presents a shiny print button always). Well, Opera

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Sander
Sander Tekelenburg schreef: So if you'd really want to help those people, you would not provide a print link. You'd let them figure out how to print, or you could add a help page that explains how to print a web page (making sure that you're clear about which specific browsing environment

Re: [Whatwg] Request for HTML-only print link

2007-07-28 Thread Stijn Peeters
Sander schreef: Sander Tekelenburg schreef: A lot of site owners just don't want to do that as it turns the focus on the browser instead of their. Well, tough :) Users matter more than authors. (See