Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Nate H.
First of all, my suggestion is that submenus always have an associated menulabel. I've taken menulabel to be a text label specifically and wonder about menus opened from an icon-only, such as would be found on a toolbar. -- Nate --- heagy.com On 12/13/05, Matthew Raymond [EMAIL

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Nate H. wrote: I'm guessing nesting a select within another select will break current UAs. Sub-menus like that will be handled with nested optgroup elements. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Matthew Raymond
Nate H. wrote: First of all, my suggestion is that submenus always have an associated menulabel. I've taken menulabel to be a text label specifically and wonder about menus opened from an icon-only, such as would be found on a toolbar. I think it's up to the user agent to decide what

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Matthew Raymond wrote: First of all, my suggestion is that submenus always have an associated menulabel. So what do you do when there isn't one? FWIW, I propose that a menu with no title inside another menu just ends up treated as if it had a separator each side. As

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Hickson wrote: How about: form action=redirect.cgi menu type=commands menu label=Select site... select name=goto onchange=if (this.options[this.selectedIndex].value) location = this.options[this.selectedIndex].value option

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: I think there's nothing wrong in using the menus for navigation except that such a solution makes an impression of something presentational rather than semantic. No more so, IMHO, than a paragraph of a links, or a ulist of a links, is

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Nate H. wrote: First of all, my suggestion is that submenus always have an associated menulabel. I realise you've made that assumption but I'm not sure that icon-only menus/toolbars would work that way. The icon-only-ness of a menu is a presentational detail. Even

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Sander Tekelenburg wrote: Personally I wouldn't mind upgrading LINK to something that user-agents must support :) The spec can require whatever it likes, that won't in any way make browsers support things. :-) But then still, until they all do, authors will have to

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Sander Tekelenburg wrote: But then still, until they all do, authors will have to continue providing in-body navigational content. One of the key concepts Tantek often pushes in the microformats forums is the idea that metadata should be visible. link

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 04:31:05 +0600, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing nesting a select within another select will break current UAs. Sub-menus like that will be handled with nested optgroup elements. Are current browsers ready for nested optgroup? -- Opera M2 9.0 TP1

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-12-14 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:42:37 +0600, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One possible solution that comes to my mind is describing a site map with some tree of nested elements, with page titles, URIs and other meta information, but without any presentational information. As this site map is