Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-11-01 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Matthew Raymond wrote: The element grouplabel gives the label for the group. That's similar to the label group= idea I posted. True, but it eliminates the need for an |info| attribute on every element. Oops. Those info attributes were a copy and paste error. They should have been

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-11-01 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Joe Clark wrote: http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/ FYI, my response to that his here. http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html Joe Clark has responed. http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html#comment-713 His comment is copied here for

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-11-01 Thread Simon Pieters
Hi, From: Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the issue is with the way screen readers handle existing forms. The problem is that each radio button or checkbox has it's own label, but the whole group is often associated with a single question and there is no way mark that up. e.g.

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-31 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Matthew Raymond wrote: Here's a thought: | p | grouplabel for=genderGender:/grouplabel |labelinput type=radio name=gender value=mMale/label |labelinput type=radio name=gender value=fFemale/label | /p The element grouplabel gives the label for the group. That's similar to the

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Ian Hickson
Hey Joe, Joe Clark wrote: http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/ Note that in general I would encourage you to post your suggestions straight to the WHATWG list, as it is not guarenteed that I will always see your blog posts (though in this case, at least three separate systems and

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Joao Eiras wrote: Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: * Make embed legal. Give it up, people: object doesn't work and never will. HTML5 will make emded legal. Object works pretty fine. embed is duplicated functionality, not as flexible and accessible

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Joao Eiras
Na , Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Joao Eiras wrote: Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: * Make embed legal. Give it up, people: object doesn't work and never will. HTML5 will make emded legal. Object works pretty fine. embed is duplicated

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006, Joao Eiras wrote: Browsers will continue to suport embed, but the recomendations shouldn't. Why not? Embed doesn't provide a fallback mechanism, and mixing parameters to the plugin, and attributes can be error prone, depending on the plugin, while object

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello,On 10/30/06, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Joe,Joe Clark wrote: http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/[...] This is a classic problem in HTML development: The people doing the work are geeks with computer-science interests who do not understand, for example, newspapers, or

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread HÃ¥kon Wium Lie
Joe Clark wrote: http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/ This is a classic problem in HTML development: The people doing the work are geeks with computer-science interests who do not understand, for example, newspapers, or screenplays, or, really, print publishing in general.

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Hickson wrote: Joe Clark wrote: http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/ FYI, my response to that his here. http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html * Allow multiple uses of the same id/label in a form and suddenly it becomes possible to mark up multiple-choice questionnaires

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Lachlan,On 10/30/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Joe Clark wrote: http://blog.fawny.org/2006/10/28/tbl-html/FYI, my response to that his here. http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-htmlThat link doesn't work. (I get a 404.)See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux,

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:01:47 +0600, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Embed doesn't provide a fallback mechanism, and mixing parameters to the plugin, and attributes can be error prone, depending on the plugin, while object makes use of param. Sure but, everyone uses embed, and object

Re: [whatwg] How not to fix HTML

2006-10-30 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: http://lachy.id.au/log/2006/10/fixing-html That link doesn't work. (I get a 404.) Fixed, thanks. There seems to ge a bug WordPress that causes posts to get marked as private for some unknown reason. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/