Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I'm not proposing to ease up on final in general, though I think using finals aggressively makes more sense when the project is taking shape and less so when things got more stabilized. Components like Link, TextField, CheckBox, ImageButton are components people regularly ask about why they can't

Re: Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Martijn Dashorst
A lot of people have asked in the past for a component interface and we said no (until OSGi came with a good reason, and even then). Just only asking for opening up is not a good reason to do so IMO. A good reason I can come up with for removing final from the onComponentTag method is to reduce

How to run Wicket manually?

2006-12-07 Thread edward durai
Hi experts, I am using Wicket with Tomcat Server. How to tested manually without using tomcat. because if change wicket java file, i should re start the tomcat. so i want check the design view of wicket page manually without using tomcat. Is it possible? Thanks for replying. Edward -- View

AW: How to run Wicket manually?

2006-12-07 Thread Korbinian Bachl
usually your IDE checks the java files for correctness (at least does netbeans and eclipse so), the HTML templates can only be tested by wicket but when you have dev mode and turn of caching these are rereloaded as soon as you put a new one in... furthermore, i dont see a problem in sending a

Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Please vote: [ x ] yes, make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods of the standard components in core non-final. This does leave the door open for specific components to not adhere to that - I'm not proposing a new standard - but if this wins we would remove final for most of em

Re: [VOTE] [EDITED] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core

2006-12-07 Thread Jean-Baptiste Quenot
+1 BTW I just created the issue in JIRA, so that we won't forget: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WICKET-150 -- Jean-Baptiste Quenot aka John Banana Qwerty http://caraldi.com/jbq/

Re: Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 12/7/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another example is Link with a label inside. I'm starting to get irritated with the fact that even though a label rendering was requested as part of it's default behavior, and at least some people were pro that, it ended in a stale mate again,

Re: Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 12/7/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/7/06, Eelco Hillenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another example is Link with a label inside. I'm starting to get irritated with the fact that even though a label rendering was requested as part of it's default behavior, and at least

Re: Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Johan Compagner
can i vote 0.7 for and 0.3 against? my brain cant do floating point math! simple, thats 0.4 for it! :) johan

Re: Re: Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Martijn Dashorst
From: +0: 'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okey with this.' -0: 'I won't get in the way, but I'd rather we didn't do this.' -0.5: 'I don't like this idea, but I can't find any rational justification for my feelings.' ++1: 'Wow! I like this! Let's do it!' -0.9: 'I really don't like this,

Re: Re: Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Igor Vaynberg
that has got to be one of the most idiotic things i have ever seen. so what does this mean? +1 -0.5 -0.5 -0.5 ? does that mean the vote doesnt pass? cause when you add them up you get a -0.5 can i vote? -

Re: Re: Re: Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Just doing it as the manual says :) If you get 3 times -0.5 votes, that may be a strong indicator that it is not the way to go. IIUC part of voting is the ability to disagree, either mildly, strongly, or even unresolvable. This is reflected by the analog votes. In this case, I don't want to

Re: Re: Re: Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Igor Vaynberg
and that can easily be expressed with a +0 i dont like it but not enough to block -igor On 12/7/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just doing it as the manual says :) If you get 3 times -0.5 votes, that may be a strong indicator that it is not the way to go. IIUC part of voting

Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Erik van Oosten
Hi Martijn, Nice excercise. As a user of Wicket, I'd say: Which one gets precedent? The modifier or onComponentTag? either modifier or neither (an exception). The modifier is added later and provides a one-time way to adapt an existing component. Letting the component have precedence is weird

Re: Re: Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Martijn Dashorst
After deleting some heated, unsent messages (never post when angry, a very wise blogger told me), taking some time thinking about other stuff, I see that I misinterpreted your message. I'm sorry I misread you, I'm sorry I accused you of mal-intent. My sincerest apologies, the whiskey is on me

Re: Component.replaceWith() and AjaxRequestTarget in wicket-1.x

2006-12-07 Thread Igor Vaynberg
define reliably. markupid should never be used by anything other then wicket - we have never guaranteed its stability. did you ever create the rfe to have the id migrated when components are replaced? that is the only usecase i can think of where we need to worry about the id being stable so that

Re: Component.replaceWith() and AjaxRequestTarget in wicket-1.x

2006-12-07 Thread Jean-Baptiste Quenot
* Igor Vaynberg: define reliably. markupid should never be used by anything other then wicket - we have never guaranteed its stability. did you ever create the rfe to have the id migrated when components are replaced? that is the only usecase i can think of where we need to worry

Re: Re: Re: VOTE: make all onComponentTag and onComponentTagBody methods non-final

2006-12-07 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 12/7/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After deleting some heated, unsent messages (never post when angry, a very wise blogger told me), taking some time thinking about other stuff, I see that I misinterpreted your message. I'm sorry I misread you, I'm sorry I accused you of

Re: Component.replaceWith() and AjaxRequestTarget in wicket-1.x

2006-12-07 Thread Igor Vaynberg
hrm, i dont see how this can happen. once an id is created for a component that component keeps it for its entire lifetime - it is cached in the component's metadata. the counter is also nontransient so it keeps its value as long as the page is alive. can you recreate it using wicket tester?

Milestone release for wicket 2.0/1.3?

2006-12-07 Thread Martijn Dashorst
All, Woudn't it be great if we could release our current progress as a development build into the wild, and validate our progress on licensing issues? I think we could best address this by performing a milestone release, which doesn't promise API stability, or bug-free operation, but will be

Re: Milestone release for wicket 2.0/1.3?

2006-12-07 Thread Igor Vaynberg
i think we can release an alpha1 of 2.0 i dont know about 1.3 we need to create a roadmap for 1.3 on the wiki and mark what features are already in and what are not -igor On 12/7/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Woudn't it be great if we could release our current

Re: Re: Milestone release for wicket 2.0/1.3?

2006-12-07 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 12/8/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think we can release an alpha1 of 2.0 Fair enough, though the DatePicker needs to be moved out of extensions. we need to create a roadmap for 1.3 on the wiki and mark what features are already in and what are not JIRA can do this for us

Re: Re: Milestone release for wicket 2.0/1.3?

2006-12-07 Thread Igor Vaynberg
On 12/7/06, Martijn Dashorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/8/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think we can release an alpha1 of 2.0 Fair enough, though the DatePicker needs to be moved out of extensions. we havent already? was that only in 1.x? we need to create a roadmap for