Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-14 Thread Marco Fleckinger
Hi Gabriel, thank you for that information. Actually I already knew of the project. Therefore I could imagine a process as I described. This IMHO doesn't need much i18n, because there is an defined syntax for wt and for html. On 2012-12-13 20:57, Gabriel Wicke wrote: On 12/13/2012 06:43 AM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-13 Thread Marco Fleckinger
On 2012-12-12 16:58, Chris McMahon wrote: Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki. Do you really mean http://test2.wikipedia.org? AFAIK the wikidata team uses this installation as a testing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-13 Thread Chad
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Marco Fleckinger marco.fleckin...@wikipedia.at wrote: On 2012-12-12 16:58, Chris McMahon wrote: Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki. Do you really mean

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-13 Thread Marco Fleckinger
Hello, On 2012-12-12 20:04, James Alexander wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Andre Klapperaklap...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 19:30 -0800, James Forrester wrote: This is not the final form of the VisualEditor in lots of different ways. We know of a number of bugs, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-13 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 12/13/2012 06:43 AM, Marco Fleckinger wrote: Implementing this is not very easy, but developers can may use some of the old ideas. Parsing the other way around has to be realized really from the scratch but is easier because everything is in a tree. not in a single text-string. Neither

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Thomas Gries
tl;dr: VE does not work for me https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42988 Hanging after Review and save -- Review your changes hangs, no saving ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Ori Livneh
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 at 7:30 PM, James Forrester wrote: TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the VisualEditor[0] to the English Wikipedia. This will let editors create and modify real articles visually, using a new system where the articles they edit will look

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Chris McMahon
Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki. -Chris On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:30 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.orgwrote: TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Chad
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki. It's also enabled for the user namespace, so people can feel free to play

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Chris McMahon
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: Would it be possible to enable VE on test2 in the same way? I would like to use it in a noisy way, and would rather not make noise on enwiki.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 19:30 -0800, James Forrester wrote: This is not the final form of the VisualEditor in lots of different ways. We know of a number of bugs, and we expect you to find more. We do not recommend people trying to use the VisualEditor for their regular editing yet. We would

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
Would it be possible to enable VE in a similar manner on other WMF wikis? I understand the concerns about developers being unable to respond to feedback in other languages, but most large projects have at least a few technical people who could serve as relays, and I'd like to see some of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Risker
On 12 December 2012 11:57, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 19:30 -0800, James Forrester wrote: This is not the final form of the VisualEditor in lots of different ways. We know of a number of bugs, and we expect you to find more. We do not recommend people

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 12/12/2012 09:31 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: Would it be possible to enable VE in a similar manner on other WMF wikis? Currently Parsoid does not support localized namespaces, link trail character classes and other features. Without support for these, pages will not render and round-trip

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread James Alexander
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 19:30 -0800, James Forrester wrote: This is not the final form of the VisualEditor in lots of different ways. We know of a number of bugs, and we expect you to find more. We do not recommend

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Lee Worden worden@gmail.com wrote: Very exciting - congratulations! I know these are early days for the VisualEditor, but is there a plan for extension developers to be able to hook in to provide editing for the things their extensions support? Yes,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Daniel Barrett
Lee Worden worden@gmail.com wrote: is there a plan for extension developers to be able to hook in to provide editing for the things their extensions support? Roan Kattouw responded: Yes, absolutely! We've been working on cleaning up and rewriting various internal APIs in VE such that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Daniel Barrett d...@vistaprint.com wrote: Will the method for hooking into VE be the same as for WikiEditor? Or will extension developers need to support both editors in two different ways? It won't be the same as for WikiEditors, because the two are very

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 12/11/2012 07:30 PM, James Forrester wrote: TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the VisualEditor[0] to the English Wikipedia. This will let editors create and modify real articles visually, using a new system where the articles they edit will look the same as when you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 12/12/2012 11:08 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote: On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Lee Worden worden@gmail.com wrote: Very exciting - congratulations! I know these are early days for the VisualEditor, but is there a plan for extension developers to be able to hook in to provide editing for the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Trevor Parscal
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Daniel Barrett d...@vistaprint.comwrote: Will the method for hooking into VE be the same as for WikiEditor? Or will extension developers need to support both editors in two different ways? In general they are both conceptually and technically incompatible.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Lee Worden
From: Roan Kattouwroan.katt...@gmail.com On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Lee Wordenworden@gmail.com wrote: Very exciting - congratulations! I know these are early days for the VisualEditor, but is there a plan for extension developers to be able to hook in to provide editing for the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-12 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would definitely be willing to serve as a guinea pig, working to integrate ProveIt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ProveIt_GT). Awesome! Roan ___ Wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread James Forrester
TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the VisualEditor[0] to the English Wikipedia. This will let editors create and modify real articles visually, using a new system where the articles they edit will look the same as when you read them, and their changes show up as they type

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 7:30 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: TL;DR: Today we are launching an alpha, opt-in version of the VisualEditor[0] to the English Wikipedia. This will let editors create and modify real articles visually, using a new system where the articles they

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread Lee Worden
Very exciting - congratulations! I know these are early days for the VisualEditor, but is there a plan for extension developers to be able to hook in to provide editing for the things their extensions support? Lee Worden http://leeworden.net On 12/11/2012 10:28 PM,