On 5/19/14, 6:39 PM, Dan Garry wrote:
On 19 May 2014 19:36, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote:
As a bot operator I think API parameter about flagging bot or not is
necessary
Sure, but as I'm not a bot operator, can you explain why and what you use
this for, to help me understand? :-)
Thank you legoktm for exampling,
Another case that happened in Persian Wikipedia, is creating bot-generated
articles by user request this task is too contervisal to be marked as bot
and we didn't mark it but other edits of my bot is marked as bot
Best
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Legoktm
I'm confused. Why wouldn't you just mark a user account as being a bot and
simply determine bot edits from username alone?
Any other mechanism seems prone to abuse or being inaccurate...
On 20 May 2014 07:36, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you legoktm for exampling,
Another
Bot flags are only given out to people that are trusted to not abuse it.
I'd say this works quite well, because cases of people abusing the fact
that the bot flag hides edits from recent changes are almost entirely
unheard of.
Dan
On 20 May 2014 09:05, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm confused. Why wouldn't you just mark a user account as being a bot and
simply determine bot edits from username alone?
Any other mechanism seems prone to abuse or being inaccurate...
People gave several examples of
So bot tasks are sometimes performed from user accounts that don't belong
to bots... o_O why?!
(forgive my naivety I come into this conversation as an outside with no
prior knowledge of how this stuff works)
On 20 May 2014 14:09, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
So bot tasks are sometimes performed from user accounts that don't belong
to bots... o_O why?!
No, some of bots tasks needs to be seen and reviewed by others, for example
there are bots that do task per user request in a
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
1. When editing via the API, allows the user to choose whether or not to
flag an edit as a bot edit using the bot parameter.
2. When editing via the standard editing interface, flags all edits
(i.e. all human
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm confused. Why wouldn't you just mark a user account as being a bot and
simply determine bot edits from username alone?
Volume? Cluebot does a high volume of edits, but as mentioned, doesn't want
the edit hidden from
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to figure out the reason behind some decisions that were made in
the past about bot flags to see if we can have a more optimal and clear
setup.
Presently, giving an account the bot flag does two things:
1. When editing via the API, allows the user to choose whether or
Actually there are a few cases in the non API where bots can assert not
being a bot, and there are some cases where non-bots can flag as bots for
specific cases (I know it in the past it was used to suppress RC floods of
mass vandalism reverts by admins) so your picture isnt complete
On Mon, May
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
1. When editing via the API, allows the user to choose whether or not to
flag an edit as a bot edit using the bot parameter.
I'm responsible for this part of the mess. I don't remember why it was
done this way though. I
Can you help me out and tell me what those cases are? I've been editing for
nine years and not stumbled upon them, so I'm very curious.
Thanks,
Dan
On 19 May 2014 19:13, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually there are a few cases in the non API where bots can assert not
being a bot,
Sorry, I mean, can you tell me specifically how that's done? I don't know
that.
Thanks,
Dan
On 19 May 2014 19:33, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Can you help me out and tell me what those cases are? I've been editing
for nine years and not stumbled upon them, so I'm very curious.
As a bot operator I think API parameter about flagging bot or not is
necessary but I think the best solution would be having something like
flag=1 (optional) and this causes bot edits to be marked as human and for
admin (+flooders) edits marked as bot.
Implementing the parameter (whether the
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Can you help me out and tell me what those cases are? I've been editing for
nine years and not stumbled upon them, so I'm very curious.
If you are a sysop, you can either add bot=1 to a rollback URL by hand
(unlike most
Admins have the ability to mark their rollbacks as bot edits? Wow, that's
fascinating. Talk about edge cases.
Thanks Gergő!
Dan
On 19 May 2014 19:51, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Can you help me out and tell
On 19 May 2014 19:36, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote:
As a bot operator I think API parameter about flagging bot or not is
necessary
Sure, but as I'm not a bot operator, can you explain why and what you use
this for, to help me understand? :-)
Implementing the parameter (whether
On May 20, 2014 8:39 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 19 May 2014 19:36, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote:
As a bot operator I think API parameter about flagging bot or not is
necessary
Sure, but as I'm not a bot operator, can you explain why and what you use
this
Because humans use it these days, not boys generally in the web interface
and it would just make stuff harder for people that use it…
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 20, 2014 8:39 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org javascript:;
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On 19 May
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 3:39 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 19 May 2014 19:36, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote:
As a bot operator I think API parameter about flagging bot or not is
necessary
Sure, but as I'm not a bot operator, can you explain why and what you use
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