Anyone attending Wlan Pro Conference in Austin Texas (10 feb 2014) ?

2013-12-18 Thread Kees Pronk
Hi, http://www.wlanprosconference.com/ (it's sold out but they have a waiting list for replacing no-show attendees) I'm attending and for me it would be great to meet other edu WLAN admins! Best regards, Kees --- Op deze

SV: [WIRELESS-LAN] Anyone attending Wlan Pro Conference in Austin Texas (10 feb 2014) ?

2013-12-18 Thread Anders Nilsson
Yes I'll be there. Actually I will arrive almost 3 days head of the Conference if someone is up for some sightseeing. Need to adjust from GMT. ;) Cheers Anders Nilsson Univ of Umeå SUNET Sweden -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Anyone attending Wlan Pro Conference in Austin Texas (10 feb 2014) ?

2013-12-18 Thread Lee H Badman
I'll be there! -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kees Pronk Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:49 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Anyone attending

802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Stewart, Joe
As this technology begins to be deployed is anyone out there planning ahead for wave two of this? I know it's not going to happen for a while but I'm curious if there are folks in the process of new construction where you have the option to add the infrastructure now to support the 10Gbps. If

RE: 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Chad Burnham
HI Joe, We are moving ahead with and future WAP installs using 2 x CAT6A per the upcoming/pending TIA TSB-162-A recommendations approval: See: http://www.cablinginstall.com/articles/print/volume-21/issue-8/features/tia-revising-specification-for-cabling-wireless-access-points.html Also see:

RE: 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Turner, Ryan H
Call me naïve, but I think 10 gig uplinks for ac WAPs is serious overkill. We have almost 4,500 switches across campus, most with 1 gig user uplinks, and the vast majority are perfectly fine with 1G (heck, we could swap a good number of those for 100 Meg, and they'd barely notice). These are

RE: 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Turner, Ryan H
BTW... Before anyone jumps on me, I understand the purpose of the question. It's great to know the best practices for the 'what if' situation. Ryan H Turner Senior Network Engineer The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599 +1 919 445 0113 Office +1 919 274

RE: 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Peter P Morrissey
We've decided for now to run two Cat6A to every AP for new construction. This is because right now it is not clear if vendors are going to utilize two Gig or one 10 Gig connection for each AP to support the theoretical oversubscription of one Gig by Wave2 and beyond. One of the challenges is

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Lee H Badman
The WLAN industry is doing an absolutely horrible, almost shameful job of managing the message on cabling for 11ac, says I. Lee Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 -Original Message- From: Turner, Ryan H [rhtur...@email.unc.edu] Received:

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Larry Dougher
I swear, just a couple months ago I saw a post on this listserve that you should run TWO Cat6 runs for every 802.11ac AP. Now, CAT6A?! *Larry Dougher* Chief Information Officer Information Technology Services http://wsesu.net/its Windsor Southeast Supervisory Union http://wsesu.net 127 State

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Ian McDonald
6A isn't particularly more expensive in a new build / whole area refurbishment, and I figure the 'fit the best you can afford' route works for the best chance of it still being adequate in 20 years time. My predecessor who shared this view did us a huge favour by insisting on Cat 5 when Cat 3

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Stewart, Joe
Thanks everyone for the ideas/posts concerning this. It seems crazy to me as well, but it doesn’t hurt to be prepared when preparing for future construction projects. Heck we haven’t even deployed any first wave 802.11AC yet but will be shortly. Thanks, Joe From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Hanset, Philippe C
And the WLAN industry also does strange math ;-) A lot of services are going to the Cloud, mostly using your pipe to the Internet. It seems that, progressively or even rapidly, the limiting factor is not Wi-Fi anymore but rather the pipe to the internet. 1 Gbps to each Wireless AP is a lot of

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Ian McDonald
They certainly are using some strange math, my experience (and that of other institutions nearby) is that the vast majority of my N access points don't suffer from being connected to 100M poe switches, and in the places we have 1G to them, they generally don't use more than 100M. Thanks --

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Lee H Badman
Is much marketing foo-foo, in my opinion. The wired-side truth of the Wi-Fi story deflates a lot of the numbers that are meant to dazzle… From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ian McDonald Sent: Wednesday, December

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Wright, Don
I would say take a close look at the 100M ports connected to your N or AC APs and check for output drops. We've seen this in some locations where we we're careful about refreshing with N AP's. It likely comes at peak times so if you're just graphing the in/out you will miss it. Don Wright Brown

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Daniel Eklund
What is it you think is happening during output drops? -- Daniel Eklund Network Planning Manager ITS Communications Systems and Data Centers University of Michigan 734.763.6389 On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Wright, Don donald_wri...@brown.edu wrote: I would say take a close look at the 100M

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Wright, Don
The packets being dropped on the way back to the AP because they're overrunning the 100M interface during peak wireless usage. You'll also notice if you do a speedtest that the download is much worse than the upload. We seen this disappear when we swap in a gig switch. - Don On Wed, Dec 18,

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Jeffrey Sessler
There is also the option, if you're a vendor that owns both ends (AP and Switch) to do something creative with only a single Cat5/6. Jeff On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM, in message 47fe4cc0b92ada478ecc286a11e9730150a...@suex10-mbx-03.ad.syr.edu, Peter P Morrissey ppmor...@syr.edu

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread John York
Years ago I “got creative” and made some patch cables that allowed me to put two 10M hosts on a single jack instead of pulling new cables. The boss said unkind things and shoved a notebook of the TIA-568 spec in my face. Ah, the bad old days…;-) John From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Jeff Kell
That was a standard across the AMP jacks... you could get one Cat5 100Mbps, or two 10Mb split cable jacks. It was a matter of which insert you plugged into the socket. It wasn't my decision, and I cringe everytime I see one, but they're still around in our older campus buildings. Jeff On

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 802.11AC Future Infrastructure

2013-12-18 Thread Dale W. Carder
We had thousands of those, wired for usoc on the wallplate side, a splitter to send 2 pairs to two station cables with usoc on one and 568b on the station end. We had this for our entire cat-3 plant, and some of the early cat-5 (non-e) terminated on 110 blocks. I don't miss that any more than