> On Oct 8, 2016, at 10:01 PM, Jon Shier via swift-evolution > <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote: > > It’s not that nobody cares, it’s that it’s ultimately up to Apple to decided > how this is going to go, and nobody there seems to care. Until a decision is > made there, nothing will happen. Even under the best case scenario I wouldn’t > expect anything to happen soon, as Apple doesn’t move quickly for stuff like > this. > > To my eyes, the Discourse-powered Rust forums look great.
You are confusing perceived inaction for “not caring”. Discourse does look promising, but it takes some time to evaluate a different technology before we commit to migrating 2,000 participants and some 27,000 existing messages. I suggest patience, and starting from the assumption that the people involved are competent yet busy. - Doug > > Jon > > >> On Oct 8, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Karl via swift-evolution >> <swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>> wrote: >> >> It’s one of those issues where everybody agrees we could do better but >> nobody cares enough to do anything about it. >> >> In any case I think Discourse seemed to be the only real option because of >> mailing-list support. So I suppose they next step would be to submit a >> formal proposal to swift-evo on GitHub? >> >> >>> On 7 Oct 2016, at 20:44, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution >>> <swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>> wrote: >>> >>> What happened to that talk? Were any decisions made internally? Any news? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Adrian Zubarev >>> Sent with Airmail >>> >>> Am 21. August 2016 um 17:36:53, Michie via swift-evolution >>> (swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>) schrieb: >>> >>>> Incase, the Swift team decided to use a forum. >>>> >>>> I would like to suggest Discourse (http://www.discourse.org >>>> <http://www.discourse.org/>). >>>> It is one of the most reliable open-source made forum and most >>>> companies have been using it as their forum/community eg. Dockers, >>>> Let's Encrypt, etc... >>>> >>>> The Swift Team has a choice to host it on their own or pay >>>> discourse.org <http://discourse.org/> to host it for you. Hosting on their >>>> own would be more >>>> cheaper and gives you more control on how you want it to be set up. We >>>> can easily set up a mailing list to all the people watching the >>>> discussion and you can add in your own style of Authentication if >>>> needed. >>>> >>>> Slack will be very expensive because Slack cost almost $7 per active >>>> member per month. If you don't pay, it will definitely be limiting. >>>> Also, I don't think using chat for this kind of project will be more >>>> productive as people need to revisit some discussions. >>>> >>>> I can help the Swift Team set up Discourse if they are interested and >>>> they can create a subdomain: https://community.swift.org >>>> <https://community.swift.org/> for it. >>>> >>>> Let me know. >>>> >>>> Michie :) >>>> >>>> Quoting Sean Alling via swift-evolution <swift-evolution@swift.org >>>> <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org>>: >>>> >>>> > +1 >>>> > >>>> > I think this is a great idea! The use of a mailing list is >>>> > manageable for a small (2-10) groups but doesn’t scale to the size >>>> > and frequency of comments/replies that the Swift Open Source project >>>> > has seen thus far. Not to mention, it reeks of 1996. >>>> > >>>> > I’m not sure if we should authenticate users via AppleID, because we >>>> > want the Swift community to remain cross-platform going forward. >>>> > >>>> > A Slack would be a great idea, for banter but may get crazy. We >>>> > would want the slack channels to remain subject pure (i.e., no >>>> > shenanigans). Email is good in this regard in that a reply is >>>> > expensive and therefore on-topic, whereas slack replies are cheap >>>> > and therefore easily off topic. Anyone have any idea to combat that? >>>> > Code of Conduct? >>>> > >>>> > I think in making this decision we should separate the determination >>>> > that the mailing lists are posing too great a burden at our scale >>>> > from the selection of what we should use in its stead. >>>> > >>>> > - Sean >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> I think this thread should focus on the mailing list vs forum, Slack is >>>> >> not a forum. It could be nice to have it as an extra if we need it. >>>> >> >>>> >> It looks to me that all benefits of a mailing list can be achieved by a >>>> >> forum system with excellent support to read and reply using emails. But >>>> >> the opposite is not true, one single simple example: we can't even link >>>> >> related thread using email (as Tino mentioned on the Gmane thread). >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> swift-evolution mailing list >>>> swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org> >>>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution >>>> <https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> swift-evolution mailing list >>> swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org> >>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution >>> <https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> swift-evolution mailing list >> swift-evolution@swift.org <mailto:swift-evolution@swift.org> >> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution > > _______________________________________________ > swift-evolution mailing list > swift-evolution@swift.org > https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution
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