Unsurprisingly I dont subscribe to the idea that arguments like these get in the way of other discussions or devalue them. If that happens, its because people choose to let it distract them.
Its fair enough that when things get nasty/ugly, some peoples reactions is to get the negative poop out of their lives, either by trying to shut others up, or by leaving, or whatever. Its some sort of natural internal defense I guess. I was always up for forums rather than a signle list, though for different reasons, and not optimistic about it actually ever happening. Even with forums, arguments, spill over to other areas and the vibe-poisoning effect is stillt he same. But would a world without such confrontations be a good thing? I think not, I think in a strange way it is necessary for people to get ugly to get to the bottom of things. A world in which nobody argues is a world in which unspeakable horrors are likely to go unchecked because they are unpalatable to think about. If liberals save the planet then maybe I will change my tune, and if everyone was as decent a human as you then this ugliness would not be necessary (not being sarcastic there, I think you have a great personality), but for now I remain sadly on the side that believes you get to learn a lot from uglyness. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert Howe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Great list of purposes for this group. Really well thought out. > > The last item is gossip & fight. Gossip can be positive, more often > than fighting, and can lead to interesting discussions. > > And gossip is generally done here in a friendly spirit. > > Since the fighting is the last item, and when it happens it gets in > the way of (and devalues) all the other 5/6 more important items, I > think it's something we could encourage people to take to their blogs. > And not duplicate it here, just link. > > (Unless someone else brings it as a matter of interest. Like happened > with Lan & Podtech. He never brought it here, or discussed it here. > And actually, the Podtech discussion, as heated as it got, stayed very > impersonal and stuck to the issues, for the most part.) > > When I was a newbie here in spring/summer 05, I saw the fighting and > thought 'these people are weird'. If No 1 is to help people start > videoblogging, this kind of stuff is totally counterproductive. In my > humble opinion ;) > > Rupert > http://twittervlog.tv > http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jay dedman" <jay.dedman@> wrote: > > > > > We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got > > > something negative to say about another person, about their > > > motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging > > > match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open > > > and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. > > > > andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 > > i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. > > We are trying to help each other do better than before. > > > > after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I > > thought the Videoblogging list was for: > > 1. help new people to start videoblogging > > 2. discuss new tech and its implications > > 3. discuss what we need...and build it! > > 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after > > we agree what it is) > > 5. discuss creator's rights > > 6. gossip and fight > > > > we are certainly a chaotic crowd and "gossip and fight" is just a > group dynamic. > > doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for it....but here we are. > > > > Jay > > > > -- > > http://jaydedman.com > > 917 371 6790 > > Video: http://ryanishungry.com > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman > > Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ > > RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 > > >
