I find it interesting that you chose London as the UK city to compare with Detroit, while Manchester holds just as important a place in UK / European culture and has more in common with Detroit. I guess its no surprise that both soul music and techno sold around Manchester before it sold around London.
Nick Hardie DiscoTech [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: laura gavoor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: 19 June 2000 17:12 Subject: Re: [313] 'Trying to recreate something that's long gone' > Hey all: > > Am compelled to add my 2 cents worth as a senior member on the list.... > > Detroit, unlike any other city on the planet in the past 100 years, is > solely responsible for beginning two major cultural, youth-oriented > revolutions one being with the R&B/Motown thaing. It wasn't really rock n' > roll but presented as the new pop thing and it broke down racial barriers > all over the world where whites and blacks were trying to live together but > not doing a very good job of it. > > In America, the civil rights amendment would NEVER have been passed were it > not for Berry Gordy, The Supremes, the Temps, etc. bringing young people > together superceding social mores. > > Moreover, the London music scene would NOT, REPEAT NOT, be what it is today > were it not for BOTH the Motown movement and the tech-invasion from Detroit. > Why can no one simply understand that these facts, combined with the fact > that recognition is VERY slow in coming from the American music machine and > overtly negative national and international press about Detroit as a whole, > add up to some very serious SELF-PRESERVATION techniques and PRIDE in > abundance. > > I'm surprised to have read in this thread comments unthinkingly uttered > about whatever music they were critiquing. It shows, not only a lack of > respect but lack of diplomacy in my opinion. Knowing how inflammatory and > bu**sh*t the British press are in amending and editing things to appear one > way...my vote is still with both the DnB artists in question as they are > quite cool. If these comments were truly uttered verbatim as they appeared > in print, well then both Bukem and Jack should really chill in harshly > criticizing the music from this town as they wouldn't have careers if it > weren't for both Detroit's musical history as well as 70's Black music which > most of their samples and bass lines are borrowed from. > > The recording "secret technology" started here was/is a torch that has been > passed on to many. Hopefully most that have picked it up and run with it > are mindful of the legacy which is inherently attached from one humble city > to the rest of the world. > > In addition, my foreign friends, you might consider tempering your comments > a bit as you clearly do not know your facts. The flow across the Atlantic > between London has not been without sacrifice but it is still based in > mutual respect for the family of innovators. We still cannot exist without > each other. Musical innovation will always find a welcome home in more > forward thinking Europe/U.K. markets and we DO need that income and > fan/friend base. Equally important to our Euro/British friends is the > STUPID, BIG MONEY GRIP that America affords. > > While Mixmag/UK's cover story of March (I think) was touting the death of > Trance, the equally inane Mixer mag in America was covering the "Trance > Takeover" or some such nonsense in the same month. Mindless of any of that, > it is a huge money machine now and it isn't going anywhere. It will simply > permutate into something MORE hip once the "fashion" wears off and given an > equally trite new moniker as a claim to originality when it was classically > and soulfully birthed elsewhere. This you will see, I guarantee it. > > Detroit is going through that growth right now and it has gone full circle > with many of the artists going straight for the Black American music that > birthed the whole thing. America is formulaic now, we know this better than > anyone else on the planet. Once there was more immediacy to getting music > like ours to the general public. However, the same is occuring in London. > Radio is becoming corporate programmed over there now and it is squeezing > out an important communication vehicle in favor of BIG MONEY. > > Don't any of you realize that you're being PROPAGANDIZED?? Each and every > one of us in this rapidly growing "corporate underground" must be both > educators and keepers of the faith and maintain our unity. The "Family" > must mind the Family and squash any silly bickering that will impede our > movement. Else we'll go the way of both the dinosaurs and rock n' roll. > > It is the Imitators, not the Innovators that historically get all the > credit. Since London has Dance music press up the ying-yang...that is a > foregone conclusion none could argue with. Just don't jam it down our > throats when you have no historical reference or education. It is just > because Detroit does not have the proximity perks of the music press in our > own backyards that makes our successes that much more 1. ASTOUNDING!!! and > 2. Hard won. > > Detroit changed the world twice with no assistance from anyone on the > planet. No other city can claim such power or influence over modern music, > fashion or youth culture. The truth speaks for itself....and I am > dumbfounded by the ignore-ance of this thread. > > L > > > > > >Although I am not a expert on America's history of rock, I do know that > >one reason why rock had a hard time catching on outside of younger crowds > >was the fact that many of the musicians were black. Parents were outraged > >at the fact that thier daughters were not only listening to, but idolizing > >older black musicians. It wasn't untill Elvis came along that society in > >general came to accept it. > > > >I am sure that similiar problems occurred with techno in Detroit and the > >rest of the US, (keep in mind that I am not very old school, and I > >would appreciate feedback on this) except rather than get upset that thier > >daughter was idolizing black musicians, they might have rejected the idea > >of leaving the sanitized suburbs and going to the inner city to hear these > >musicians perform. > > > > > But I find it appauling that you can type these ridiculous comments > > > without knowing anything about america. > > > >You are right, maybe I should take a communications course at a major > >university taught by a world-reknown professor, whose area's of expertise > >include the history of music or something. *Then* I will know what I am > >talking about. > > > > -christos > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
