In a message dated 8/14/00 8:15:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << List some of the great Detroit techno artists' albums and you'll likely see
Landcruising, Silent Phase, both Nighttime Worlds, The Collective, and the list goes on (hard to cite the ones that grace my collection now b/c they're all packed up). Then there are other albums like Neil Olivera's Detroit Escalator Company - Soundtrack 313 that couldn't possibly fit better into the Detroit state of mind, if not including a single uptempo track. The narrow definition of techno doesn't do justice to the distiction between "ambience" and downtempo Detroit which properly occupy different spheres by and large. Claude Young's Multiplicity of Zeros and Ones could as easilly be classified as "ambient" by someone who doesn't listen to a lot of Detroit as the trance guy at the local club referring to Basic Channel as trance. Seems to me the term "great" is being tossed about somewhat carelessly here. Stacey Pullen, Octave One, Claude Young and Robert Hood have had their moments (in fact Claude has his excellent "DJ Kicks", which isn't really an original album, and Robert Hood has the good, if too close to formulaic, "Minimal Nation"), but I would make objections to them being placed in the class of Carl Craig, one of the best Detroit techno producers. Carl has had, over his career, both a depth and bredth of vision unrivaled in his native city or anywhere else on the techno landscape. It took him a few tries to get out of Derrick May's shadow, at least in a production sense, but he has done it, and deserves respect as being an innovator, an elevator and one of techno's best ambassadors. I realize that Detroit producers seem all about unity, and brotherhood prohibits decent criticism, so I'm speaking as someone from the East Coast who just likes good music. I think Carl Craig exists in a Detroit stratosphere with just May and Banks, and their only equals that I have heard are people like Basic Channel, Global Communication, and B12. So when we refer to "great" albums, let's talk about techno's absolute best, rather than above-average efforts, because in the long run, can an above-average efforts mean anything in two, three, five, or ten years? I guess that's a personal decision.... Meanwhile detractors will claim Detroit has fallen off. Albums take more focus, time and God knows they seem to take longer to actually hit the shelf than the 12 inches do. So if maturing and mature Detroit artists take the time to focus on an album and reduce their other output in the meantime, not only does it decrease the number of "techno" tracks on the end product while they flex their breadth of taste, it decreases the output and the number of releases DJs are likely to pick up. >> There's no point though, I think, in claiming Detroit has fallen off, because it has always had rough patches, and there have always been only a handful of truly exceptional producers working. The reason people who don't choose to look into the past to assess the present find the current Detroit "fallen off" is because there isn't a flood of records coming from the scene anymore, and the Detroit sound isn't new. However, the Three Chairs (Theo, KDJ, and Rick Wilhite) all are doing some very interesting work in tech-house, and while that may not be "new", it is certainly unique and is helping to advance the platform. I'd say those three are about as good as anyone in Detroit's past. Carl and Mike are still working, and still have their moments of sheer brilliance, and DJ Rolando of course had the sensational "Jaguar" and a great mix disc. I think it's good there isn't a deluge of mediocre discs flooding out like there used to be: saves vinyl for rock stars' pants. As for decreasing the output to DJ's....techno producers made hundreds of cool tracks with just some basic electronic machines in the old days; the guitar has six strings and two dozen frets, people have been doing things with that for a whole century. If DJ's can't make magic with thousands and thousands of tracks, what are we supposed to think of them? If Mills really did say something similar to he's being working with a few hundred records for ten years, I think he is right on. It's very easy for lackluster DJ's (and there are loads of them) to just complain about what they don't have. The DJ medium's capacity has hardly been explored. Anyway, it is the UK techno scene which has fallen off, not Detroit. But we'll talk about that another time. Matt