I got so busy at work last night I almost missed out on continuing this conversation.

Todd:
believe it or not, different people get different information that appeals to them out of 313. Some 313ers got a good discussion and arguement going about the Ford focus thing - which I'll admit I deleted 98% of the emails. However, I'm not concerned about the fact that my "poor finger hurts" from clicking delete so much. If that set of postings interested people than good for them. Why should we be so narrow minded as to limit ourselves by talking about Jeff Mills, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Claude Young, Juan Atkins, TP, Carl Craig everyday? Everyone is aware of these guys already and can easily find many of their releases as Recordtime. It's the obscure gems out there that people aren't aware of that are impressive too. There really is a new generation of producers and DJs developing in the area right now and it's unfortunate that you don't see it. Many are on this list such as Christian Bloch, Bill Van Loo, Chaircrusher, Nate De Yonker, Phonopsia, Darw_n, Scott Valliance (from Australia I know but you have a Detroit sound) and there are many more out there who are djs. Why not support these guys and they're music instead of spending all of your energy discouraging them from posting their new tracks on 313? Who knows - these guys may be the next Jeff Mills, Kevin Saunderson, Carl Craig, etc that everyone begins to talk about. Don't you want to be aware of a fresh, new sense of creativity? If the members on this list are making some good music don't you think it is 313 related? If they are aware of Detroit Techno enough to be on 313 don't you think they're educated in electronic music enough to make their own decision as to what is appropriate for posting in they're music community? Everyone one on this list and in the world has a different thought process, has different interests, different skills, everyone looks different, everyone talks different etc. Why are you trying to make the assumption that we all want to hear about only the information that interests you? Don't you think that's a bit greedy and self rightious? Maybe you should take a step back and listen to yourself throw your rules around the mailing list. Too many rules spark resistance and rebellion in any society. Please don't try to apply your rules to me.
thanks for listening,
djr


From: "Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: [313] (even more spam)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:36:58 -0800

Trust me there is no lack of passion to hear new music, if only I could cut
down on hitting that delete key on off topic posts I could do a little more
listening and a lot less deleting.  The off topic hysteria as you like to
dramaticize it as is caused by multiple subscriptions to different lists (at least in my case). Older list members may have different reasons. I have 4
jobs (including Dj'ing) and work a tremendous amount.  I joined 313 for 313
content not spam. I could post a million record reviews (I work for a local paper), and could tell you what I got on vinyl this week (I work at a record store as well), but I don't because for the most part it is not 313 related.
Please read the 313 statement at www.hyperreal.org

todd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kao Jyan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [313] (even more spam)


> i'm sure someone has mentioned this already, but the general consensus a
few
> weeks ago was that directing others to good FREE music on the web (even if
> it is your own) is not that terrible a crime.
> i don't know if you are just feeling grumpy today or if you have a
personal
> grudge against Christian but even if you hate his music i hope you are not
> saying it is not 313 related cause you may cause a riot.
> i always want to hear new music, your post gives me the impression you may
> not share this passion.
>
> there are plenty of 313 posts that i am not interested in although i like
to
> read them all but i am surprised at the lack of tolerance some 313 members
> are displaying with their "off topic" hysteria.
>
> (also i know this is not a Drum & Bass list, a Garth Brooks list or even
the
> Shopping Network in case anyone thinks i don't, i understand there are
other
> lists elsewhere i would just like to see a little more patience)
>
> anyway, back on topic ; ) what Jay Denham stuff would anyone recommend to
a
> BC/CR/Ratio/Hood/Pacou fan?
>
> kao jyan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Todd Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [313] (even more spam)
>
>
> > Last I checked 313 had a policy about spam, and need of 313 content. I
> > didn't join this list for a bunch of artists to throw tracks up online
and
> > advertise in my inbox.  It was fine for the plus8 contest because that
was
> > at least 313 related, however this is just a bit over the deepend.  If
> > specific people have asked you for tracks, then email them personally,
> leave
> > the list for all things 313.
> >
> > Sorry to be picky, but the title of Christian's post says it all
> > todd
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christian Bloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:29 AM
> > Subject: [313] N E W Track Online (even more spam)
> >
> >
> > > "Prototyping Cycle" is available for download at www.mp3.com/bloch/ -
> > dubby
> > > stabs and more. I can't really figure out how fond of the track I am
> > myself,
> > > hope you will like it though...
> > >
> > > peace
> > >
> > > Christian Bloch
> > > www.mp3.com/bloch
> > > Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings/Set.Go
> > >
> > >
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