On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Jayson B. wrote:

> That past email was simply to see how many of you would explode when you saw 
> the prog in front of techno.
> 
> Wasn't meant to offend or spam anyone.
> 
> But simply for the sake of arguement, what's so bad about the word 
> progressive?

Nothing wrong with that word. It's just that I've gone through about 700
unread 313-mails, and I would like to comment on _pointless_ mailing to
this list. These matters have been discussed in the list several times
before (and I think this mail comes in a bit late), but I think it's
appropriate to remind people occasionally, especially when new people are
joining the list.

It seems that somedays people just have too much time on their
hands, and those people enjoy stirring things up a bit and then watching
other people, as on this list, to waste their time in pointless
conversations and arguments like "my music is better than yours".

These people are called trolls. They appear with different names, email
addresses etc. and when kicked off the list they may reappear after a
while under a new address.

They are very subtle in their actions, they have at least a partial
knowledge of 313-related music (and _unrelated_ as well) and with that
they attack the thing we love.

Common trolling mail could be something like "DJ/producer X's latest work
sucks because X has HIV and it has sprouted into AIDS. I know this to be
true because X didn't appear to play in the event Y, and my cousin works
in a hospital where X gets the treatment for the disease, and one day he
came to me and said 'look where that music, raves and drugs gets you
into!' and explained the whole situation."

The best solution for trolls is to ignore them. They live with the  
attention they and their mails get. It's the same thing as it is with
spamming: when you get a spam with lines reading something like "to be
removed from this list send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]" To mail to
that address is the _last_ thing you want to do because once they recieve
a reply from you the spammers will know that there's an active email
account, "let's keep on spamming there!!"

So, before making a possibly angry, hasty reply, sit back, take a deep
breath, read the recieved mail once again and then decide whether to
respond at all.


My point was _not_ to name Jayson B. as a troll, but I'm simply sick and
tired of pointless discussion. I know, I know, procmail or any other good
mail sorting program is a decent solution, but I don't like the idea of
modifying it's settings every other day.

Now, please read the lines of the mail I replied to, and perhaps
couple more of other "the X is Y'r than Z" -mails that have been
clogging my 313-folder. Do I make any sense?


I'm not trying to offend anyone, but if you feel like I have, please,
let's continue the discussion privately.





                J


 Jussi Lehtonen     [EMAIL PROTECTED]     www.netppl.fi/~sandman

  "Do not allow yourself to be programmed.
   For once, in your life, take control. Take control." - UR





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