Brian,

What do you really expect? The Arab world has their extremists and we have
ours. There is NOTHING the media could say to stop these senseless killings
from happening. When I hear of a guy throwing a gas bomb into someone's
home and hitting a little kid but thankfully not exploding it gets me sick.
We all know that there are so many Americans on the edge anyway; they've
found an excuse to commit horrible acts.

Hopefully it won't get completely out of hand but I'm not very confident in
that belief.

Peace,
Alex


                                                                                
                                                               
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um, "mincing words" means to quibble about precise definitions when the
general meaning of the discussion is clear. you're the one who's mincing
words.

i think you meant to say, "don't misuse words," but whether you call it
racism, ethnic discrimination, anti-semitism or anything else, the fact
remains that all sorts of americans who don't look like johnny whitebread
are being harassed, discriminated against and in some cases killed because
xenophobic americans, looking to alleviate their feelings of powerless, are
lashing out against anyone they think even looks like they could be a
terrorist.

my south asian boyfriend's a grad student in liberal bastion ann arbor of
all places, and he's been getting pointed at in the residence halls,
hassled
by teen-agers at dairy queen and generally made to feel like he shouldn't
be
showing his face. this is happening all over the country, and harassment is
the least of it.

you seem to feel very superior that you know the difference between a
"race," an "ethnic group," etc., but what's your point? does it do a sikh
man who's being gunned down at a gas station in arizona any good to argue
that not only are arabs caucasians, but that sikhs aren't arabs at all but
are south asians? i don't think so.

brian dillard

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Kessler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:21 AM
To: gord; David González
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] Enough with the "False" CNN Coverage ting, already!


Let's just clarify one thing here buddy... anti-Muslim or anti-Arab
sentiment, as wrong as it is, CAN NOT be equated with Racism. Why, you ask?
Because Arabs do not represent a distinct Racial group. Technically they
are
Caucasian, but ETHNICALLY they are Semitic peoples... the same as Jews! In
fact, Jews and Arabs are genetic cousins; there has been scientific
research
done to this effect. I'm really getting sick of people calling it Racism.
What we're talking about is anti-Arab or anti-semitic behavior, not Racism.

Don't mince words!

-J

on 9/20/01 6:05 PM, gord at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I wasn't going to post anything to this list about this topic (since it
> really isn't the forum for it), but this is a great point.
>
> Much of the mainstream media has been putting a very racist spin on this
> and has created a dangerous situation.  I have heard personally from one
> Islamic man living here who has received a number of death threats.  I
> also know that there are a lot of Palestinians living in North America
> who are scared to walk the streets for fear of racist backlash.
>
> The analogy I always like to draw for people is if Timothy McVeigh had
> bombed a building in Iraq, would you feel it was right for the people of
> Iraq to blame the entire United States for it and want to retaliate
> against us?  Would you, as a fellow American, feel any connection at all
> to his actions?  I'm sure this is how the majority of Palestinian people
> feel at the point.  For the media to show that footage and imply that it
> represents the feelings of all Palestinians is atrocious.
>
> g
>
> On Thursday, September 20, 2001, at 12:24 PM, David González wrote:
>
>> ok, maybe you're right, but as far as I know, in those images all you
>> can
>> see is about 5 kids, a woman and two adults celebrating (about 9 or 10
>> people). That's all the celebration? is that all the footage CNN could
>> get?
>> Why are this images said to be celebration of the palestinians, for me
>> it is
>> a celebration of 10 palestiniansd, most of them kids... I think that is
>> also
>> distorting reality. I'm not defending anyone here, all I say is this
>> type of
>> things promote hate and violence, and that's exactly what we are trying
>> to
>> avoid, or is it not?
>>
>>
>>> I'm really getting sick of this thing. The "False" CNN coverage is a
>>> hoax:
>>>
>>>
>>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1540000/1540102.
>> st
>>> m
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_402920.html?menu=news.latestheadlines
>>>
>>> CNN says fake footage claims are 'baseless and ridiculous'
>>>
>
> . . .
>
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