from cliff at submerge. some interesting points in there:
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: (313) Detroitdigitalvinyl.com Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:40:53 -0800 (PST) From: Cliff Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You bring up a few good points there Robin. Here's my answers.... --- robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:26:56 +0000 To: 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: (313) Detroitdigitalvinyl.com > I agree with Alex, being able to get the audio as wavs at a slightly > higher price is something I'd also be prepared to pay for. Me three (but see below). Or at least in a lossless format like FLAC. *<----That's a good idea :)* Thing is though is there a big demand for downloads for the kind of music we are talking about here? ie. "underground" (not that I like that term) techno/electro/house?*<--------I guess we're going to find out :) Don't worry though we plan on making it worth everyones time Just watch :)* I mean when I dj I play off a laptop and I've not bought one single digital download yet (i buy vinyl, or with a push, CD).*<----in the future after things get rolling we were thinking about offering package deals where you buy the vinyl and get the MP3's so you won't have to wait for the record to get there to play it. First things first though :)* OR...is it a different market that sits alongside vinyl, so broadening the market out for these things?*<---I am a vinyl junkie more than anything else in the world but the reality is that vinyl is not a sustainable buisness venture for anybody anymore, the manufacturing cost has gotten so high that it leaves almost no money to be gained for the artists anymore and that would turn out to be a bad thing for the music in general. The Dance market for music is already very small and we hope to give new and upcoming artists a chance to get their music out there through this format because otherwise if the Techno industry sticks to vinyl alone then there will be no choice but to only press records by those artists that are a safe bet because of their names because otherwise techno will most definitly start to lose money and if nobody makes any money then there will be no Techno to speak of. Some of the great artist that you all know and love here in Detroit know that their only purpose in life is to make this music and if there is no industry left to support the new ones coming up then the music will have a problem progressing in general. This doesn't mean that our artists are just trying to get rich because as anybody on this board that makes this music knows that if they wanted to be rich they wouldn't be doing techno but we do hope that this will make it a little more possible to make a living for everybody involved. We are all music lovers here at submerge and we would like to make it a little easier for the new artists and producers to share their love too.* Also, when people pay for the DLs of these things they just go on Soulseek don't they? (normally if it was a vinyl rip on soulseek then it could be viewed as a promo device as people wnat the physical article if they like it....but a download??).*<----That's also true. We are betting however that there are some people out there that are trading our music online because there is no other way to get it. I know that some of it will go to sites like soulseek but i hope the people that do that would realise that by doing that that they are actually hurting the artists they claim to love so much. Unfortunatly sites like soulseek are actually capable of killing techno by taking away the artist livelyhood. Everybody that does this music loves to do it more than anything else in the world but some of them have families to feed and bills to pay just like any of you. It's true that sometimes downloads on sites like soulseek can be great promotion* *but unfortuanatly with the new mediums to use to spin music now some of those people will never buy a 12". There are also young people that are now just learning about this music that can't afford to go out and buy a turntable to listen to it with not to mention a second one, a mixer and a small PA for their basement in order to experience it. Giving them a new choice can also help spread the word for everybody. Also if we never made them available for download then people wouldn't even have the choice to buy their music honestly on anything other than a 12", 7" or CD. * It might be I'm an old fogey who's obsessed with buying somat for his money and having racks of vinyl sat at home. :) *<---I totally hear ya. I still prize vinyl above all other formats personally but i can spin a record on top of an I-Pod :)* Sorry for the waffle but lunchtime discussion got me thinking about this. robin...
