orlando rules!! thanks for the heads up on that hertz record jb. i chat with him on myspace sometimes haha. he is in seattle, and ignitor and his relationship with submerge is a bit on hold...not enough control and little problems and like that. i was disappointed with his appearance on ISF2 as well, he thinks the track is awfully strange himself and said it was really mad mike's thing...he also has that new label triangle, it's a bit on the "trancey" side, but it's still orlando style, so take that in the best way. the ignitors did come out way too fast -- most of them are total classics but i don't think they got much notice...to me ov is up there with shake and eddie fowlkes and mk as legendary unsung detroit producers...inimitable style/personality/funk in his music. bite before you bark is huge as well yes! amazing raw deep detailed, stunner.
melodic techno is mostly way too "nice" i agree. not enough pain in it, too soft around the edges. needs more pain and ugliness, not in the sounds necessarily, but in the feelings being conveyed, immediacy, real tangible feeling. anyways i heard you write off james t cotton, tom. i check out all the audion and james cotton etc records that come out, i like them but they're pretty disposable raw acid jams, not many real timeless tracks rising to the top...but james cotton's dancing box album, c'mon! there is a track on there that could be drexciya it is so gnarly and dark. and the whole thing is really good -- i much prefer it to most of the chi-techno stuff floating around these days. dunno how this grew out of the melodic techno subject tho, this stuff isn't very melodic at all. i like that bit about suburban knight setting tracks aside for so long to see if they cut it also. i know many people who do that intentionally or lazily -- but it works, and personally this is how you really decide how much value certain music really has to you. fwiw the upcoming convextion album on downlow encompasses work from 1995 until a few weeks ago. send money. buy. >I'm just defending my friend just like you are defending your son. that's really noble and touching and all, but give the rest of us a break please...you aren't going to change anyone's (mis)conceptions about richie yammering about him - make your point and move on. i appreciate that you are his friend but since i am not your friend the understanding that brings only goes so far. being mis-understood is the cost of fame i guess. you can't fix it. he could with the proper marketing and pr i guess. but everytime i read an article or interview it's all technobabble douchebag stuff. whatever -- me and a couple friends have been rediscovering and enjoying that basic channel inspired album recently, the music is the music. i'm not generally a big fan of it but i do like some of it. don't really appreciate electronic music being represented the way he represents it but oh well, that's the way it is, blame the media or whatever. richie may well be a great guy. it's not like detroit legends like cc and dmay are without faults either. recently watched a little youtube interview with dmay, talking about making strings of life...HILARIOUS, so pompous. but i mean...the entertainment biz is all bs when you set the actual artistic product aside. tom has to be taken with a grain of salt and a sense of humor. we all talk out of our asses sometimes and get way too enthusiastic and self-important about our opinions sometimes. tom has a great ear and lots of interesting stuff to say if you listen and don't get all bent-out-of-shape because he can state his opinion rather undiplomatically. nobody is going to take his opinion as fact, tom obviously doesn't know richie, so there's no reason to ruthlessly attack him and throw yourself on your sword to defend richie, as if he needs defending. it's just a huge overreaction, a waste of everybody's time, and besides, you know what you are going to get talking to tom like that. i used to flamewar with tom pretty regularly. at this point, unless you're new to the list and really uninitiated in the ways of online communication, it's really immature for anybody to get so worked up by tom, and then to start insulting his children etc -- it's disgusting. it's really shallow and passive-aggressive "humor". and then the taunting that tom is unstable etc....awful, gimme a break, that is like elementary school humor, which is childish but also some of the worst and most hurtful. i'm very close to some genuinely mentally unstable people. that sh;t is 1000 times uncalled for. tom is the best kind of critic -- opinionated. and something i notice about tom, he only really serves the harsh criticism to people who actively seek the spotlight. that's what you get! if you're seeking the spotlight and a media image, you have to expect people like tom to blast you, unfounded or not, and develop some thick skin.
