Yes I know they were changed I am walking my way though the changes now as I am 
working on preparing to move to the new 4D V18 project mode. In a way I like 
the movement of the User sand groups to the .json file. But breaking the 
conversion of users and groups for a large corporation and requiring the 
permissions be regenerated manually may be a major issue for a large 
organization.

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Guy Algot <g...@macjedi.ca> wrote:
> 
> Eric, U&G were changed with v18 project mode. Check out the blog, I believe 
> there was a posting there about it.
> 
>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
>> <mailto:4d_tech@lists.4d.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have found that if you take a 4D v17r5 program and convert it to v18. Then 
>> change the database to a project database it will lose the memberships in 
>> the users and groups. When exported you will see all your groups and users. 
>> But the memberships between the two will disappear. With the exception being 
>> “Designer” and “Administrator”.
>> 
>> Even worse. If you took a User to blob file saved in 4D v17r5 and import it 
>> into v18 it will corrupt the minimal users and groups file created when the 
>> database was converted. Effectively all the groups will disappear and 
>> corrupt groups groups will come into existance.
>> 
>> A curiosity is that the designer and administrator will keep their 
>> memberships, but all the other users will lose the relationships. I have 
>> noticed the the new directory.json no longer has user numbers. I suspect 
>> this may be part of the problem. This is certainly causing issues with my 
>> linking users to their [Employee] table records. The user number used to be 
>> a constant and I would use it to tie a user to an employee record with a 
>> simple Longint.
>> 
>> Can anybody verify this is true or not.  Or is there something really simple 
>> that I am missing. The good thing is that my users and groups are pretty 
>> small so I can manually recreate the directory.json file. Then make a backup 
>> of the file in my v18 project. 
>> 
>> I am using the method of saving the directory.json file in the dat folder to 
>> keep my users and groups constant between versions of the database. 
>> 
>> I remember there was a discussion about users and groups in the past and 
>> issues with import-export of the data to a blob.
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