The problem with that approach is many fold. First if something happens to 
users and groups and admin becomes bad you will be stuck. If you are going to 
follow that path, I would create another use by duplicating administrator and 
use that one

Regards

Chuck
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> On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Ken:
> 
> Chuck pointed out that you didn't have access as designer (I just
> skimmed the email yesterday), rather you have access "to the design
> environment".
> 
> The empty U&G file is worth a try but as Thomas implies, perhaps there's no
> significant downside to leaving the current situation as is. I've been
> working on an application for almost 20 years for a programmer client and I
> don't log in as "designer". Until now, I've never even looked at U&G and
> I've discovered that I have zero access there. I do have full access to the
> code and forms and can even convert it to a project (I cancelled *that*
> operation) so, if you've got that level of access, perhaps "do nothing" is
> appropriate.

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