>
> Also as a (potentially) related statement. 9front has taken a policy of no
> computer generated code
> for any contributions going forward, this includes generative AI or large
> language models of course.


I assume that's defined not to include (say) mpc, yacc, sed scripts, etc!

On Sun, 10 May 2026 at 18:34, Jacob Moody <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 5/9/26 07:31, Lucio De Re wrote:
> >
> > On 2026/05/09 06:03, [email protected] wrote:
> >> 9front and 4e/9Legacy are separate, independent communities with no
> >> obligation to support each other, but it’s always encouraging to see
> >> someone willing to help both. Yaroslav, thank you for your efforts.
> >
> > Let me add my own gratitude.
> >
> > I  think this is a great approach and I have been considering the
> > approach myself, I just don't happen to have the skills and persistence
> > to accomplish as much as Yaroslav did.
> >
> > As for those who now seem to want to preserve the "purity" of 9front,
> > let me say that I entirely understand where you come from, specially
> > from the perspective of supporting what necessarily resemble
> > regressions. On the other hand, it is equally unfair to suggest that
> > those of us that appreciate both the spirit of legacy and the pragmatism
> > of 9front (and the now dated pragmatism of legacy and the modern spirit
> > of 9front) should not be encouraged to pursue yet another development
> > direction. To me, personally, convergence toward the best from all
> > sources is well worth the price, as Yaroslav suggests, of needing
> > frequent (ideally not frequent, but even then...) rebasing.
> 
> No one here is discouraging alternative paths, if anything I encourage
> folks
> to do this work if they want to maintain git9 for other systems. These
> paths
> can be explored entirely without involvement of 9front, in fact I'd say
> we're there already, the fact that you can pull in git9 on 9legacy with
> this diff is proof of that.
> 
> What is being asked for here is not some permission for this alternative
> path however, what is being asked is for 9front to take on the maintenance
> burden of there being multiple paths. These are two disjoint things.
> 
> When you are asking someone (or a group of people) to make their lives more
> difficult/inconvenient (like using 30 year old GNU utils or ifs= footguns)
> in order to make your life easier (keeping the git9 9legacy diff smaller)
> you
> are asking us to do a favor for you.
> 
> This is why my whole comment at the start was that this PR felt
> inconsiderate/rude to me.
> Am I incorrect in seeing the dynamic like this? It's possible, I am just
> trying to convey how
> things come across to me. For 9front, git is our update mechanism, if it
> breaks we're in some
> pretty annoying trouble.
> 
> As Dan and Charles pointed out, this is a bit further bothersome because
> there was not even
> really any initial thought in to "which of these 9front improvements can
> we take back to 9legacy".
> Or at least have a discussion about which of these changes are for the
> better and which are perhaps
> not super necessary.
> 
> Also as a (potentially) related statement. 9front has taken a policy of no
> computer generated code
> for any contributions going forward, this includes generative AI or large
> language models of course.
> 
> - moody

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