On Apr 29, 11:28 pm, SM <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Some observe that the moral laws are in fact self-evident; at the very > > > least, the consequence of not conforming with them certainly is, and this > > > retroactively makes them self-evident. > > > Are you saying that God punishes and rewards people clearly on Earth, > > like causing earthquakes in Haiti or the tsunami in Asia? Because if > > you're saying that people find out the consequences of immorality when > > they awaken in Hell, that's not something self-evident to people still > > here on Earth. > > What I'm saying is that the consequences of our choices make manifest the > moral laws of the universe. > > I'm saying when we choose to serve our own desires and lie to our boss, > there is a consequence for doing so. > > I'm saying when we choose to serve our own desires and disregard a marital > commitment, there is a consequence for doing so. > > I'm saying when we choose to serve our own desires and give our time to our > own interests rather than our children, there is a consequence for doing so. > > I'm saying when we choose to serve our own desires and disregard the needs > of our neighbour, there is a consequence for doing so. > > I'm saying when we choose to serve our own desires and eat or drink > excessively, there is a consequence for doing so. > > Etcetera.
There are observable consequences, but I don't think that makes moral laws self-evident. Some people do horrible things without any bad consequences for themselves. Or take the example of two lesbians getting married, spending their lives together and raising a child. Some people will say it's immoral, but are there clear consequences in their actions that will make it "self-evident" to them or to other people that it's immoral? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "A Civil Religious Debate" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/a-civil-religious-debate?hl=en.
