Mike,
You seemed to have missed my point, I started out my message stating, “This is
Great” and concluded with “Please keep contributing!” That being said my
concerns of fragmenting the community were that this site should be
accessgrid.org<http://www.accessgrid.org> community website, which I have
already talked to Darran about and is alluded to in the mail he sent. I only
raised the option of a different technology as a discussion point since its
something we started to look at. My thought being if this is to be a community
site, folks may want to have a say in the underlying technology. If the
community deems the underlying technology is Plone that’s fine by me as long as
it enables contribution by community.
Keep contributing!
Cheers
Mike
On May 24, 2005, at 10:16 AM, michael j daw wrote:
Mike,
From what I see, Darran's site looks excellent and is just what the
community needs (i.e. not as a prototype, or a good start, but the real thing).
And, the best thing of all, it's come directly from the community,
spontaneously! Like its unplanned announcement, it may start to have a momentum
of its own... (Watch out for Manchester software to be posted there soon.)
There's no need to fragment the community - why don't you use it as your
means of communication with the community (e.g. software releases, other
ANL-specific info)? That way, you don't have to spend any more effort worrying
about revamping the website because someone's done it for you. Which means more
time for you to concentrate on getting AG3 out there. This can only help your
"small overworked Argonne team".
The best community involvement is bottom-up. I don't believe the top-down
model of community involvement can ever really work.
I for one am very excited about what Darran has done.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael E. Papka
Sent: 24 May 2005 05:43
To: Darran Edmundson
Cc: Michael E. Papka; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AG-TECH] AG Community Portal prototype launched ...
Darran,
This is great. As we have discussed the plan is to move the physical
home of accessgrid.org to the University to remove some of the
restrictions placed on access to the site that having it at ANL has
caused, this is currently in the works.
On that note, we would like to see volunteers fr congeasus om the
community take stewardship of different areas on the new and improved
community site to lift the burden off the "small overworked Argonne
team". Mary Fritsch who has left the core AG group at Argonne to
move to a new exciting position will still be overseeing the site,
but hopefully now with help from the community. The work you've
done on the prototype site looks like a good start; we'd like to have
you help spin up the community site at accessgrid.org. Please let us
know if you're interested (this is with the initial setup, it is
assumed the community will help once the site is in place). We are
currently evaluating the Mambo server (http://www.mamboserver.com/)
for the new site, this is based on recommendations from different
people, but if the community has a strong leaning towards another
system let us know.
The overall goal is not to fragment the community with multiple
sites, the www.accessgrid.org<http://www.accessgrid.org> site has always
intended to be a
community site, we have made a conscious effort to remove any ANL
slant. We'd like the accessgrid.org site continue to serve as the
community site, and be developed by the community.
There are more efforts underway to increase community involvement,
look for announcements in the next month.
Please keep contributing!
Cheers
Mike
On May 23, 2005, at 5:11 AM, Darran Edmundson wrote:
Well, I was hoping to keep it under wraps for another week or so
but the word is out ...
There was a lot of discussion at the recent Retreat regarding
the lack of community input. We are all painfully aware of
the shortcomings in the current AG, and yet we are waiting for
the small overworked Argonne team to deliver our software utopia.
The fact is, we as a community need to be more involved - in
design, development, testing, bug reporting and bug fixing,
documentation, feature requests, human factors, etc.
None of this can happen without effective communication.
But how does one submit a tutorial, update or add an "FAQ",
hook up with other developers to collaborate on a shared app,
contribute to the software roadmap, or even just find the latest
version
of a node service?
As a response to this, I've whipped up a prototype web site to
stimulate discussion on these issues:
http://slap.anu.edu.au:8200/
The downloads section has been populated with a number
of shared apps and services. (Note, Tom Uram did *not*
put up the AGTk, I did that as a demo before inviting Argonne
to try out the site.) Under the forums section, a number of
discussion
areas have been created. One possible option would be to populate
these with the AGTech archives sifted into appropriate categories
and gateway future traffic? The missing item, and perhaps the
most import, is the documentation section. This will be modeled on
the "documentation" section of the main Plone website: http://
plone.org/.
Plone allows members to individually submit tutorial, FAQs,
How-To's, events, news items, etc. that are optionally reviewed
by the site admins. It's a powerful paradigm.
Please, have a look and offer your constructive criticisms,
wish-lists, etc. If you'd like to play a more substantial role in
the nitty gritty of getting the site up and running, please contact
me directly at
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>.
Finally, let me publicly state that within a few months, I would
like to
have the site either (i) run under the governance of the
community at
large or (ii) used in a (planned?) redesign of the main
AccessGrid.org.
Cheers,
Darran.
Darran Edmundson
([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>)
ANU Supercomputer Facility Vizlab
Australian National University, Canberra, ACT 2600
tel: +61 2 6125-0517 fax: +61 2 6125-5088
