This is incredibly good email. I'll be pondering it and thinking about my own needs vs what GT4 provides . I entirely agree with the notion of standards based; if we can identify the critical components that need standardization we can move ahead.
This is great, really, I'm happy with it. --Ivan On May 24, 2005, at 8:38 AM, John Hodrien wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 2005, Ivan R.Judson wrote: > >> Hey John, >> >> Good point. Although my skepticism keeps nagging with the worry, "Why >> bother >> with WSRF/GT4 services, aren't Web Services good enough?" I suspect >> they >> are, I haven't seen any significant value to the layers above that >> provided >> by GT4. > > If you try and ignore the globus stuff, and think of it as WSRF it > becomes > more pleasant. GT4 contains lots of crap for submitting jobs and > managing > resources, copying files about etc. I have no immediate interest in > any of > that. WSRF is the OASIS working draft for stateful web services, and > as such > is intended to be something nice and generic, usable whenever you want > state > in a web service. > > The most important part of it as I'm concerned (if you were > entertaining the > notion of AG with web services) would be WS-Resource and > WS-Notifications. > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrf/2005/03/wsrf-WS-Resource-1.2-draft > -03.pdf > http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsn/2004/06/wsn-WS-BaseNotification-1.2- > draft-03.pdf > > Sadly you can quickly complicate things, as you're likely to need > WS-Reliability if you're going down the notifications road. > > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=wsrm > > I'm not sure what else would be worth poking at, bits like > WS-ResourceLifetime > might also deserve a look in. > > Equally, playing with WS-Security and using the SAML callout would let > you > define whatever you wanted on the security front, and make it open and > standardised how you were doing it. > > These are all boxes of tricks that live independently of GT4 (WSRF.NET > for > example) but would open up the AG to open and standard interaction > with other > software. > > So really my case for this isn't in favour of GT4, it's in favour of > standardised (very nearly at least ;) stateful web services. > >> Did I miss something :-)? > > I'm sure we've all missed plenty ;) > > jh > > -- > "The thing I love most about deadlines is the wonderful WHOOSHing > sound they > make as they go past." -- Douglas Adams. >
