Thanks Nicklas, Do you have link to the spec that describes those formatting changes?
What if a sheet is removed? You just mentioned sheet insertion. What is a cell range and what does it mean to move them? An example / use case would probably be enough to describe this. I don't think the proposed set of a11y interfaces and methods will work for a spreadsheet. The IDL is documented in item 11 at http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/IAccessible2/Agenda/20081202 Does anyone have an idea for a solution that would work for both writer and calc (and other apps)? Should we move forward with the existing spec for text revisions and add a spec for spreadsheets. Or should we define a spec that will work with a wider range of applications? Pete Brunet IBM Accessibility Architecture and Development 11501 Burnet Road, MS 9022E004, Austin, TX 78758 Voice: (512) 286-5485, Cell: (512) 689-4155 Ionosphere: WS4G Niklas Nebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/2008 07:33 AM To Malte Timmermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Brunet/Austin/[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Re: IA2 and OpenOffice revisions Hi, Recorded changes in spreadsheets are somewhat different from text documents: The spreadsheet cell structure only contains the current state. Changes are not part of a cell's content, but separate. Possible changes are: - Content changes - Inserting/deleting columns/rows - Inserting sheets - Moving cell ranges Niklas On 11/12/08 09:00, Malte Timmermann wrote: > Hi Niklas, > > what about Calc? > > Thanks, > Malte. > > Oliver-Rainer Wittmann - Software Engineer - Sun Microsystems wrote, On > 11/11/08 01:27 PM: >> Hi Pete, >> >> sorry for answering so late. >> I had to prepare my attendence at the OOoCon 2008 and then had a great >> week in Beijing, China attending the conference. >> >> See my comments inline below. >> >> Pete Brunet wrote: >>> Oliver and Niklas, What are you thoughts on the two questions Malte asked? >>> >>> *Pete Brunet* >>> >>> IBM Accessibility Architecture and Development >>> 11501 Burnet Road, MS 9022E004, Austin, TX 78758 >>> Voice: (512) 838-4594, Cell: (512) 689-4155 >>> Ionosphere: WS4G >>> >>> >>> >>> *Malte Timmermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* >>> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> 10/24/2008 12:22 PM >>> >>> >>> To >>> Pete Brunet/Austin/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> cc >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], >>> Niklas Nebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject >>> Re: IA2 and OpenOffice revisions >>> >>> >>> OK... >>> >>> > What is the solution for non-text attributes, e.g. tables, images, >>> charts, cells, spreadsheets? >>> >>> Not sure how OOo handles that at all, Oliver/Niklas might know better >>> >> Currently, the OOo Writer does not support change tracking for tables, >> table rows, table cells and anchored objects (text frames, graphics, >> embedded objects and drawing objects). >> >>> > How are comment only revisions handled? >>> >>> Don't think we have that in OOo >>> >>> > Probably need more kinds of format changes besides insertion, >>> deletion, and format change. >>> >>> "Probably" here sounds like "might it be?" - a question some people >>> blindly answer with "yes" stating everything can be ;) >>> >>> AIA Interop group better should come up with something more concrete. >>> >>> > Is more granularity needed for format changes, i.e. is it enough to >>> just say there was a format change or should the kind of format change >>> be indicated? >>> >>> I think we discussed this, but can't remember why we decided on the >>> simpler solution... >>> >>> > Use cases are needed. >>> >>> I am happy to look at them if anyone provides some ;) >>> >>> > getSegmentAtOffset (singular) needs to be getSegmentsAtOffset >>> (plural) because unlink links there could be overlapping insertions and >>> deletions. >>> >>> Sounds reasonable to me, but I must admit that I (again) don't know >>> if/how OOo handles that. >> In OOo Writer there are no overlapping revisions/change trackings. The >> OOo Writer breaks a certain change tracking into corresponding pieces, >> if the user creates overlapping revisions/change trackings. Thus, >> revisions/change trackings are properly nested in OOo Writer. >> >> But nevertheless, there can be several change trackings at a certain >> cursor position. Thus, the proposed change is reasonable. >> >> >> Regards, Oliver. >> >>> Oliver/Niklas - any comments? >>> >>> Malte. >>> >>> >>> Pete Brunet wrote, On 10/21/08 11:21 PM: >>> > >>> > Malte, Li Yuan would like to get started on implementing the ATK/AT-SPI >>> > equivalent of the IA2 proposal to handle revisions. Before he can go >>> > ahead we need to handle the issues raised by some Microsoft engineers >>> > during an AIA (Accessibility Interoperability Alliance) meeting back in >>> > July. Please take a look at the comments from MS list in item 10 on >>> > this agenda: >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Accessibility/IAccessible2/Agenda/20081021 >>> > >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > *Pete Brunet* >>> > >>> > IBM Accessibility Architecture and Development >>> > 11501 Burnet Road, MS 9022E004, Austin, TX 78758 >>> > Voice: (512) 838-4594, Cell: (512) 689-4155 >>> > Ionosphere: WS4G >>> >>
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