Dear Mr. Ram, I respect your feelings! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chetan Sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
> Dear Dr. Vipin, > I am not sure that my earlier message on AI reached you, as I didn't get > the > feedback and the same mail in my PC. Since, most of the AI members are of > the opinion that sexual harassment of VI women is a very serious issue and > can be discussed on AI, please respect the majority opinion and > contribute. > I am sure, with your vast experience and interaction with students, you > should be having constructive suggestions on the subject. We will be > obliged, if you share. Let us have your contribution and not objection. > Please, let us stop this conflict here. I am very encouraged to sign out > of > this AI, as I don't understand the negative discussion on such an > important > subject. Kethan, please note this. > regards > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chetan Sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:18 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on > > >> No sir, though, you have not proven your point at all, but i still think >> personal comments should be avoided, If i like, i can start to think that >> earth is flat and nobody will object it as long as i don't argue that > earth >> is really flat and try to convince others to believe the same. But if i >> decide that i will keep on insisting my view point till all persons in >> the >> world agree that earth is flat, this will not work at all. >> Still, i am not able to understand why sexual harassment of Blind women >> is >> beyond the scope of this list. When we discuss each and every problem > faced >> by VIs then why to exclude this one? Are we selfish enough to think that >> since we majority of male will not face this problem therefore it is off >> topic? Now, i realize why one of our friend, Rajesh Parakh went so far >> to >> put forward his thoughts. >> >> Regards, >> >> Chetan Sharma >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >> >> >> >I have proved my point beyond doubt. >> > These personal remarks in no way going to either hurt me nor I would > like >> > that I should reciprocate you in this public foray. >> > Who is a disgrace to whom could be proved by reasons and deeds! >> > >> > But here it is not in my agenda of discussion! >> > these personal remarks certainly could put you in trouble. >> > Laws regarding defamation are very strong. >> > In case I file a suit against you would have to deposit your passport > and >> > visit for attending the courts here. >> > But rest assured I am not going to do any of such thing. >> > With care and concern, >> > Vip >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >> > >> > >> >> That's indeed very true. But my another concern is that those poor >> >> students >> >> who have to listen to similar things in their class room and it can >> >> actually >> >> give a bad name to visually impaired community. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Taraprakash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> >> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> >> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:12 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >> >> >> >> >> >>> Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two different >> >>> things. >> >>> If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, I >> >>> am >> >>> afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher course > for >> >>> social and gender sensitization. >> >>> Good luck >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> >>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM >> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation >> >>>> from >> >>>> the >> >>>> central focus of this group. >> >>>> I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such >> >>>> issues. >> >>>> As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on > a >> >>>> group >> >>>> called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable >> >>>> suggestion. >> >>>> The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be > dealt >> >>>> on >> >>>> such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and >> >>>> malwares >> >>>> on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be >> >>>> discussed >> >>>> in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and >> >>>> emotions. >> >>>> So >> >>>> its >> >>>> remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should >> >>>> understand >> >>>> the value of some one's emotions. >> >>>> Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive >> >>>> force >> >>>> in >> >>>> guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. >> >>>> In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. >> >>>> The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is >> >>>> convinced >> >>>> about >> >>>> certain things which are related to his argument and presumptions. >> >>>> It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us > towards >> >>>> a >> >>>> rational approach in life! >> >>>> I would keep on writing till you people are convinced that law has > its >> >>>> on >> >>>> importance. No one could let himself be convinced that he or she is >> >>>> above >> >>>> law! >> >>>> With regards, >> >>>> Vip >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "P. Subramani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment >> >>>>> particularly >> >>>>> those >> >>>>> raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing >> >>>>> accessibility, >> >>>>> once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really >> >>>>> concern >> >>>>> all >> >>>>> of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation > of >> >>>>> topics >> >>>>> sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>> From: "Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>>> To: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> >>>>> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this >> >>>>>> issue. >> >>>>>> So >> >>>>>> could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please....... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>> From: "Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is >> >>>>>>>not >> >>>>>>>a >> >>>>>>> question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or >> >>>>>>> some >> >>>>>>> thing >> >>>>>>> else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have > disowned >> >>>>>>> several >> >>>>>>> members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It >> >>>>>>> is > a >> >>>>>>> known >> >>>>>>> fact that this group is related to issues arising out of >> >>>>>>> accessibility >> >>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>> otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about > these >> >>>>>>> social >> >>>>>>> issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays >> >>>>>>> such >> >>>>>>> issues? >> >>>>>>> Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the >> >>>>>>> territory >> >>>>>>> of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our >> >>>>>>> consitution. >> >>>>>>> Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss >> >>>>>>> issues >> >>>>>>> related to accessibility. >> >>>>>>> Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide >> >>>>>>> lines >> >>>>>>> if >> >>>>>>> one >> >>>>>>> is law abiding enough. >> >>>>>>> If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its > own >> >>>>>>> course!! >> >>>>>>> With regards, >> >>>>>>> Vip >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >> >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >> >>>>>>> changes, >> >>>>>>> please visit the list home page at >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >> >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >> >>>>>> please visit the list home page at >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > changes, >> >>>>> please visit the list home page at >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >>>> >> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >> >>>> changes, >> >>>> please visit the list home page at >> >>>> >> >>>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >>> >> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> >>> please visit the list home page at >> >>> >> >>> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> >> please visit the list home page at >> >> >> >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > with the subject unsubscribe. >> > >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> > please visit the list home page at >> > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: > 9/22/2006 >> > >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at >> > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. 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