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>    1. Re: Blind can record answers (Arjun Malhotra)
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> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:04:58 -0800
> From: Arjun Malhotra <malhotraarjun2...@gmail.com>
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> This is a positive step. I say so because at least they are taking
> some innitiative. Although there are certain challenges in recording
> answers. It is no surprise  that CBSE has allowed recording answer as
> CCPD guidelines have been followed as it is. Yes CCPD's examination
> guidelines provide for recording as a means of taking exam.
>
> About the challenges, first thing come to my mind is sheer time taken
> by examiner to evaluate the answers. On an average an examiner takes
> 5-15 minutes to evaluate  the answer script. One may say since
> recording the answer is matter of policy and board is the best judge
> of managing it's affair. Secondly I feer that those students who have
> polished accents may be at advantagious position as compared to those
> who are  not polished as far as oratory skills are concerned. This may
> undermine the merit. However you may argue that students with bad hand
> writing also suffers and it is important for  a visually challenged
> student to work upon his oratory skills before opting for such mode of
> taking exam. . My third concern pertains to background disturbances.
> I'm optimistic that examination centers will not be in position of
> providing sound proof rooms and not even quiter places. Anyways rumble
> of an engine, shreek of an horn, school bell will be recorded along
> side the answer and will surely affect the over all experience. My 4th
> concern is that will there be any takers of this mode of taking exam?
> and I  can only hope this mode remains an option out of many such
> options and should not become "only option" in those cases where
> students relies on either school or examination centers for arranging
> the scribes.
>
> best
> Arjun M
>
> On 1/12/16, Pinkesh Tailor <pinkesh.tai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What about reading of the question paper. Is going to be prerecorded
>> in a tape, or will it be read by a human assistance. If human
>> assistance is needed, then what is the sense of recording the answer
>> in a tape. If prerecorded, then as commented earlier lot of rewinding
>> and forwarding to listen to the questions.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, Vamshi. G <gvamsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> But George sir,  won't it be unfair towards sighted to make them write
>>> on computers for the sake of visually impaired?  Hand writing is a
>>> very important aspect, especially during childhood.  Just like we find
>>> number of flaws in a method suggested for the blind by someone who is
>>> not familiar with the field, a sighted person will have number of
>>> arguements against writing exams on computers in place of hand
>>> writing.  I was reasonably sighted during my childhood for writing
>>> exams on my own.  Don't want to miss on that fun.
>>>
>>> On 1/12/16, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>>>> A universal examination method has to be evolved. Recording   on tape
>>>> seems
>>>> to have a number of draw backs.
>>>>
>>>> I believe the system should move towards all students writing exams
>>>> using
>>>> computers. This will not happen overnight. It will take time. But there
>>>> is
>>>> a
>>>> need to head that way. I do not believe that blind students must not be
>>>> singled out for special treatment.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Vamshi. G
>>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 20:55
>>>> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>>>> accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>> Every person good at writing need not be so in talking and vice versa.
>>>> Though confidence in speaking might not be a factor in evaluation, the
>>>> fact that recording is going on might not be comfortable for everyone.
>>>> Besides, I always feel evaluater knowing that the paper belongs to a
>>>> visually impaired is not desirable.  People tend to value performance
>>>> of disabled a bit higher than that of non-disabled.  But writing exam
>>>> on computer also has this drawback.
>>>>
>>>> As far as other add on benefits like liberal evaluation, grace marks
>>>> are concerned, a strict no to them!  The whole idea of enabling
>>>> environment is lost with these activities.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/12/16, Vedprakash <vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
>>>>> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
>>>>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people
>>>>> pronounce
>>>>> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
>>>>> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the
>>>>> process
>>>>> of
>>>>> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to
>>>>> speak
>>>>> flawlessly and continuously.
>>>>> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb
>>>>> the
>>>>> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
>>>>> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
>>>>> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>> concerning
>>>>> the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>>
>>>>> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't
>>>>> work
>>>>> when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
>>>>> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the
>>>>> same
>>>>> time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing
>>>>> good
>>>>> marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the
>>>>> poor
>>>>> preparation and/or negligence of the students.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y <vidhya....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
>>>>>> typing would be fair instead of recording.
>>>>>> the Sighted write so we should type!
>>>>>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
>>>>>> case of English Language.
>>>>>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
>>>>>> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
>>>>>> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
>>>>>> to all special Students.
>>>>>> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
>>>>>> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
>>>>>> complex disabilities!
>>>>>> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in
>>>>>> advance.
>>>>>> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
>>>>>> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/12/16, Aravind R <aravind.andhrab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
>>>>>>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
>>>>>>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> tedius and time consuming.
>>>>>>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/12/16, raaju <bidh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer
>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>> writing or exam in Braille.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>>>>> concerning the disabled.
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be
>>>>>>>> good to provide options like use of computer or recording.
>>>>>>>> Sensitising examination authorities would also be needed to avoid
>>>>>>>> bitter experience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as
>>>>>>>> accent may vary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this
>>>>>>>>> initiative!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
>>>>>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>>>>>> concerning the disabled.
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Times of India:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
>>>>>>>>> Abhishek Choudhari
>>>>>>>>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>>>>>>>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board
>>>>>>>>> exam
>>>>>>>>> a candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead
>>>>>>>>> of additional supplement.
>>>>>>>>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now
>>>>>>>>> record their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a
>>>>>>>>> writer. This new rule is part of a slew of revolutionary changes
>>>>>>>>> brought in for special needs students by state school education
>>>>>>>>> minister Vinod Tawde.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get
>>>>>>>>> the questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so
>>>>>>>>> that they can get a feel of things. Their answers will be recorded
>>>>>>>>> and the device will be sent for evaluation in the same way we send
>>>>>>>>> the traditional answer sheets." For all special needs students the
>>>>>>>>> minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20 minutes extra
>>>>>>>>> time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, facility of
>>>>>>>>> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.
>>>>>>>>> Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of
>>>>>>>>> speech and hearing, physical disability, spastics, learning
>>>>>>>>> disorder etc are some who have been given these examination
>>>>>>>>> concessions. Parents who have children with special needs have
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office
>>>>>>>>> for details.
>>>>>>>>>
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