you can. SBI payment gateway have a CAPTCHA if we pay through credit card. you can not pay PASSPORT payment through net banking except SBI. one has to only pay through debit card and credit card and there is a captcha on SBI payment gateway while paying through credit and debit card. you can not choose from which payment gateway you can pay. it is a tie up arrangement with the service provider and payment gateway. like LIC primium you can easily pay through PNB net banking but if I want to pay it through credit card it takes me to the IDBI payment gateway and there is a CAPTCHA. so there is a difference between idialism and practicality.

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I think we got to be smart enough in choosing payment gateways, most of them are sending OTP to users phone for security reason.

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what about the CAPTCHA on payment gateways. still this did not brought in to the notice of government.


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Hi,

Its not about what we don't have, how are we going to improve, for example
telecom networks are not providing good network if we all start using there
is no option than providing good network.
If more people are not using internet or any other mode, then this is the
time to make them upgrade. If people don't want to upgrade themselves, some
one has to force them to upgrade.
This is just my opinion, more over cashless like online transaction and
using mobile apps is most safe and convenient for people with vision
impairment.
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Subject: [AI] Cash vs Digital Money: why going cashless is going to be tough
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Cash vs Digital Money: why going cashless is going to be tough in India

By Nikhil Pahwa
At the end of a panel at "Startup India Standup India", adequately named
"Disruptive Power of Technology in Financial Inclusion", the panelists,
which included Paytm CEO Vijay Shekhar Sharma, Eko Founder and CEO Abhishek Sinha, and Ispirt's Sharad Sharma, pledged to make India a cashless economy.
That was January 16th, 2016, and nearly 10 months later, Prime Minister
Narendra Modi, put disruption into the financial payments space, with the
move to remove (and gradually recycle) 86% of the cash in the Indian
economy. The government's narrative surrounding demonetization has changed
frequently since then: first it was an attack on black money, then about
addressing funding of terrorism, but the latest pitch, for a move that
reportedly has seen people die, is that it moves people towards a cashless
economy; what Venkaiah Naidu, the Union Minister for Urban Development and
Information and Broadcasting, also referred to today as a "Cultural
Revolution", entailing, to quote him, a "behavioural modification".
But how ready up are we to go cashless? How affordable is it for people to
go cashless?

Our contention here is that there is no parity between Cash and Digital
Money: a rupee paid by cash is far more convenient for a user, and affords
less costs, as compared to a cashless system:

Infrastructure Issues

1. Number of citizens on mobile: Not all Indians are mobile, leave alone
connected. The latest figures from the Indian telecom regulator TRAI show
that, as of 31st July 2016 (pdf): India had a teledensity of 83%, with
Bihar, Assam, Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh with teledensity of less than
70%. While state-wise data for wireless teledensity is not available, it
won't be very different, since most connections in India are wireless. Note
that these are number of connections, not users, so you will have to
discount this significantly, because many users have multiple SIM cards.
Proof: Delhi has a teledensity of 234.77%. Urban wireless teledensity is
148%, and rural is 50.72%. Even of the 1,034.23 million connections, 88.88%
are active.

So do we have enough people with mobile connections in India? Not close to a
billion, especially in rural India.

2. Number of mobile users who are connected to the Internet: There were
342.65 million Internet connections by the end of March 2016, of which 20.44
million were wired connections. In total, 149.75 million were on broadband
(3G + 4G + wireline broadband) and 192.9 million on "Narrowband". Narrowband
Internet subscriber base was 192.90 million (2G and wireline broadband).
Click here for statewise broadband and narrowband data.

For the top four telecom operators, the number of mobile connections that
are data enabled in a manner that is more than 1mb or more than 10mb per
month is around 30%.

So do we have enough people with mobile connections in India who have an
Internet connection? Not close to a billion.

3. How many people are online daily? These are connections. How many are
online monthly? According to Facebook India MD Umang Bedi, 165 million log
on to Facebook on a monthly basis. How many go online daily? Only the
telecom operators know.

So do we have enough people with mobile connections in India who have an
Internet connection and are active online daily? Not close to a billion.

4. Availability of reliable connectivity: "When we were doing Aadhaar," TRAI
Chairman RS Sharma said at an event WiFi in India, around two months ago,
"and we said it will be an online infrastructure and identity. People said
you are creating an online identity in a situation where connectivity
doesn't exist. So there was a huge amount of pressure on us to make it work
offline as well. Our view was that we are creating a future-proof identity
infrastructure. We don't want an infrastructure which becomes useless
tomorrow. The future is online. The future is a connected world."But the
future isn't now, and RS Sharma knows that: "Today with Aadhaar," he added, "I keep getting complaints that there isn't a tower in a place and therefore
we weren't able to authenticate. Therefore, connectivity is a very very
serious problem."

If you drive from place to place, especially beyond the national highways:
state highways, through pot-holed and dusty roads connecting villages and
towns, to small places in the hills, you'll find connectivity sparse and
fleeting. A month ago, I had to drive 15 km to find a spot where there was
sufficient connectivity to respond to a message. Pangot in Uttarakhand,
where I was staying (earlier this month), has a post-office, but barely
functional data from Idea, and none from Airtel, BSNL or Jio. I checked all.
The fact is that in cities we're spoilt by the connectivity we get, and we
really shouldn't judge the quality of connectivity by what high ARPU, urban,
concentrated, areas get. Let's also not forget the connectivity issues in
cities, typified by call drops (though these have reduced now).

So do we have enough people with mobile connections in India who have an
Internet connection, a reliable Internet connection, and are active online
daily? Not close to a billion.

5. Availability of user devices: According to Idea Cellular CEO Himanshu
Kapania, there are currently over a billion mobile phones in India: around
850 million feature/smartphones, and 150 million LTE enabled phones.
Vodafone's smartphone estimate:

Airtel India MD and CEO Gopal Vittal recently said that: "What we have found
is that people with smart phones, not all of them use data. That number of
people with a smart phone using data is probably around 60% to 70%. And the
new smart phones that are coming are not necessarily the smart phones that
people are naturally using data"..."one of the big jobs for us is to
actually get all of those smart phone devices to also consume data."

This is important because the most payments business support feature phones
(do any?), and while we will see smartphone penetration grow, and we need
feature phone support for now. Mobikwik yesterday has promised it, apart
from rolling out a low bandwidth application.

So do we have enough people with mobile connections in India who have an
Internet connection, a reliable Internet connection, with handsets that
support Indian payment apps, and are active online daily? Not close to a
billion.

6. Merchant acceptance: India had 712.5 million debit cards, and 130.53
million transactions, as of August 2016. That's around 18 transactions for
every 100 cards. Credit Cards? Only 26.38 million in India as of August
2016, accounting for 83.95 million transactions.

Demonetization might lend itself to greater utilization of cards, but there
were only 1,461,672 point of sales machines in India, as of August 2016,
according to the RBI. In the entire country. In all likelihood, concentrated
in major cities, with some merchants with have more than one machine, as
backup. A 2015  Ernst and Young report said that India has the dubious
honour of having one of the lowest POS terminal penetration, with only 693
machines per million. Brazil had 32,995 terminals per million people and
China and Russia, had around 4000 terminals per million people.

So we don't have enough people with debit or credit cards, and not enough
PoS machines to use them. This is apart from not enough people with mobile
connections in India who have an Internet connection, a reliable Internet
connection, with handsets that support Indian payment apps, and are active
online daily? Not close to a billion.

7. Payment and mobile network capacity: What we've seen with Demonetization and the increase in usage of cards and online payments is that somewhere in the value chain, banks and/or payment gateways were not in a position handle
the load. Transactions failed. What we were told was that Visa wasn't able
to handle the load. At present, there isn't sufficient capacity for the
escalation in usage if everyone starts transacting digitally. More
importantly, do we have the network capacity to deal with this? What happens in an emergency situation, when networks are down because everyone is trying to call everyone, as we've seen previously in India? If you don't have cash,
and there is insufficient connectivity, how will you be able to buy
anything, use public transportation etc?

Usage issues

8. Time taken for a transaction: If you've driven through a toll booth, or
paid for parking, you know that operators keep exact change because they
expect notes to come in with a specific denomination. The time taken isn't
usually to tender change for notes, but for printing a receipt. Watch a
small shop selling high frequency purchases like mobile recharge cards,
candies or cigarettes, and you'll see that the pace at which they close a
transaction with a customer is critical for them: they don't typically give a bill for each transaction, and that's a problem when it comes to taxation.
But from a user's perspective, think of the additional time it takes:

8.1 For a card, you need to place it in a PoS machine, get a user to input a
PIN, and if there is connectivity, wait for the merchant to get a
confirmation before you can leave.

8.2 For digital transactions, you need to get a user to scan a merchant QR
code, authenticate with a PIN (ideally). Or, you need the merchant to send a
payment link to a customer, for the customer to receive it, open a page,
type in details and complete a transaction. Then wait for the merchant to
receive a confirmation of the transaction before you can leave. Can you
imagine doing this while exiting a parking or at a toll booth? If you're
buying a Rs 2 Pulse candy, imagine the friction involved, as indicated here. The quickest means of payment is an NFC machine, but most phones aren't NFC
enabled in India, nor do merchants accept NFC payments.

9. Security issues: The weakest security link in any transaction is not the technology system, but the user, and their lack of understanding of security
issues. To get a sense of this, to withdraw money from ATM's, some people
were giving others their card and PIN numbers. For example: this and
this.But there are other risks too: In 2011, it was believed that payment
gateway CC Avenue was hacked. HDFC Bank too. Last month, HDFC and Axis Bank
were hacked too.

Last month, Surekha Pillai found that her card had been used for
international purchases, and had to jump through several hoops, from
customer care to customer care, to get transactions reversed. The questions she raised indicate that even a global behemoth like Amazon isn't geared up to deal with such situations, for a customer who is more informed than your
average person:
*Why isn't Amazon India helping customers resolve these issues instead of
making them run around in circles?
*Why isn't there a two step authentication process for Indian cards used
outside India?
*Why does Amazon save credit card details by default?
*Why doesn't Amazon report suspicious activity like Google does? (for logins
from a different country, device, IP address) *Why aren't customer care
executives trained to deal with issues related to security breaches?

The difference between cash and digital is that cash limits the damage to
the the loss of a note or of a number of notes. In digital, the risks are
higher: the advantage of wallets was that you could transfer money to them
bit by bit, and lower your risk of exposure. That of course doesn't mean
that digital shouldn't be an option - I'm not saying that - but it shouldn't
necessarily be the only option. It also doesn't mean that storing all your
cash in your house is risk-free, but the move to make India a cashless
country increases security risks for all citizens, with each account/wallet
company becoming a single point of failure.

10. No privacy with cashless: a switch to cashless means that each and every
transaction is tracked and documented. This is great for governance, with
taxation, but there is no protection for citizens, as to who owns that data,
whom they can share it with, and how it will be utilised. If I'm using a
wallet, where is the law that prevents usage of that data for advertising to
me? By switching to cashless, you're not giving users a choice. India
doesn't have a privacy and data protection law, and shamefully enough, the
Indian government has gone to court arguing that there isn't a fundamental
right to privacy in the country. To quote the Attorney General of India,
representing the Union of India, in August last year:"Violation of privacy
doesn't mean anything because privacy is not a guaranteed right"

Cash offers that relative privacy and anonymity, that the Government of
India is trying to deny its citizens. The only cashless currency that
affords anonymity is bitcoin.

11. Language compatibility:  Paytm has recently updated their application
with some features enabled in Indian languages. Mobikwik has done English
and Hindi. PhonePe works in English, Hindi and Tamil. However, most mobile
handsets don't have an Indian language interface, as don't most applications
and services. Ola is available in Indian languages only for drivers, not
passengers. Apart from Snapdeal, no ecommerce company tried going the Indian
language way. There's a part of the population in India which still isn't
able to read and write, leave alone being able to read and write English,
while we don't have phones that are are in Indian languages and apps that
aren't in Indian languages. The digital divide here is massive. Physical
notes are a visual medium of exchange.

12. Interoperability issues (between payment systems): cash is
interchangeable: you don't need a connection, an application or an account
to exchange cash. Here, you have a situation where State Bank of India
doesn't allow payment into a Paytm wallet via netbanking, or wallet to
wallet transfer isn't allowed. There's the Unified Payments Interface, set
up by the bank owned group NPCI, where the Reserve Bank of India has not
allowed wallet to wallet transfers. Customers are locked-in whether it is to their bank account (because you need banking systems functional to transfer
money) or to their wallets.

13. Cost of transaction:

13.1 Merchant costs: Merchants need a working Internet connection to accept
digital payments. They need to pay a monthly rental for a machine, or a
smartphone with an application to accept payments. On Credit cards,
merchants are charged a merchant discount rate (MDR), an inter-bank exchange fee, of 2.5-1.7% per transaction. On debit cards, they need to pay 0.75% per
transaction below Rs 2000 and 1%for transactions above Rs 2,000. For UPI,
merchants are charged 0.75% per transaction plus other costs (on par as
debit cards.)

13.2 Customer costs: You need a smartphone, an Internet connection and/or
have to pay USSD charges (Rs 0.5 per session) and data charges when
applicable.

13.3 Cost are applicable when cashless is converted into cash: From an RBI
paper on processing costs on cheques and ATMs: "The feedback received from
different banks revealed the following - a total cost of Rs.1.95 per
Rs.1000/- which excluded the cost of insurance and dispensing cash at ATMs;
the cost of dispensing cash through ATMs alone is approximately Rs.17 per
transaction; the opportunity loss for holding idle cash would be
approximately 9%; the cost per transaction at ATMs ranges from Rs.6.60 to
Rs.15.88 in case of fully outsourced operations depending upon the service
provider and area of operation."

So where are we today?

Cash isn't the same as cashless (digital payments) because:
*Not enough people have mobile connections, an Internet connection (which
can survive massive usage in times of emergency), or use it regularly, on a
smartphone, which supports all Indian languages, with an application that
supports all Indian languages. Internet connectivity isn't reliable or
available or as cheap for users as cash.
*The process of making digital payments in India is not easy, and is time
consuming.
*Making digital payments is costlier either for the merchant or the
customer, or both.
*Digital payments can lead to major security risks, with adequate processes not in place for easy redressal, for either merchant or customer. Above all,
not enough is being done to educate the consumer, the weakest chain in the
link.
*Digital payments aren't a single standard like cash: money in one type of
account is not the same as in another type of account, and it is not
interoperable,  unlike cash.

Here's the thing: Cash might be more expensive for the government, because
of tax evasion, corruption and the need to keep recirculating old, spoilt,
currency, and enabling transfers, but digital is very expensive for
citizens. What is happening here is a transfer of cost of money from
government to citizens, and a massive collection of data.

But does that mean that there shouldn't be any cashless transactions?

Certainly not. The point is that we're not ready yet. Many of these issues
mentioned above will be addressed one by one: connectivity will (hopefully)
improve; indic languages interfaces and operating systems developed,
security improved, customer care improved, smartphone prices will come down, but the idea to force people into adopting cashless payments is foolish and unnecessary, when you don't have the wherewithal to meet the demand at that
scale, this quickly. People are hurting, and there are no means of meeting
that demand in the near term.


The important thing is to give people choice, and switch people to cashless
gradually.

Parity between cash and digital money is probably impossible to achieve, but there are means of getting closer to it: by creating an incentive structure for that switch, and that involves making cash more expensive than cashless,
and better enforcement.

Here are two ways in which cashless can be encouraged *Giving an indirect
tax rebate for using cashless methods of payment, which brings parity
between cash and cashless. Even online, merchants can be incentivised to
charge less for digital payments, and more for cash on delivery.
*Digital Payments businesses have tried their hand with cashbacks, and lower
rates for digital purchases have already encouraged digital payments.
Incentives could be given to businesses, which they can transfer to
customers.

Tell us more alternatives either in the comments, or at
nik...@medianama.com. Share more issues with us as well, and we'll update
this post with credit.

(With inputs from Shashidhar KJ and Sneha Johari)

Source:
http://www.medianama.com/2016/11/223-cashless-india/

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