IT indestries do not want to spend on the development of Indian language tools just because of piracy? I don't think so. Though the issue is beyond the scope of this list, but if it has been raised here, I can't stop myself to express my views. It looks strange when we think why hasn't Microsoft yet developped a Hindi Windows though it has already developped one in Chinees. But if we scrutinize the issue for a moment, it becomes clearer that we (The Indians) ourselves are responsible for it. First and the most obvious reason is that there are too many languages in our country that developing/supporting an OS for each and every language is in itself a Herculean task. But to excuse this, one would say "Why don't they develop it for only few main languages like Hindi?" The counter argument is "For what and for whom?" Tell me who cares for Hindi? The computer literate (especially those who are also well-off) population of our country feel comfortable with English, we all run for it, we all look down apon person who can't speek it. We feel shame if we can't speek it properly. So "for what and for whom?" is the question. In China, it had been (may be till now) mandatory to speek/work in the mother tung. So, if Microsoft and other corporate firms want to get anything from the Chinees market, it's only possible when they offer supportive solutions to their indigenous needs. But here in India, why do they like to do the same just for poor (because the rich culture is dominated by English)? We're having one of the best IT institutions in the world, Infosys like companies raking through money, but still we have not been able to develop anything worthy for our indigenous needs. Certainly not because there are lesser people who believe in buying softwares, but because there are lesser people who care for such softwares. If a better (friendly/responsive) indigenous gadgets are developed, there is no point why people would not buy it. So, lack of interest and commitment are the main causes of under development of the indigenous softwares in our country.
Regards, Ramit On 11/16/07, Dipendra manocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have had many first hand experiences with companies while trying quality > products at affordable cost. The experience is very clearly indicate that we > are not able to project ourselves as any market. No one expects us to > purchase any thing even if the cost of product is affordable by all means. > > > Government agencies wor on project mode. Their project is to develop > prototype and not become selling agency for any product. They all expect a > commertial agency to pick up their developed product and do final production > and market and provide support services. I have not seen any commertial > company who has come forward to indulge in this activity and that is why > hundreds of very useful products and softwares are half cooked and are in > the shelves. > > I have been negociating with many companies to give benefit to us. Talks has > been one of such examples. It ws due to hard work of 6 months that finally > india became the only country where talks is being sold at 1 third of its > international cost. Although it is being sold, actually it is being provided > at no profit basis since at this cost a commertial company will not be able > to sustain themselves. > > Had TTS been a profitable business, prologix could have easily continued its > development and we could have got more human sounding hindi Voice. > > It is beyond doubt that if company like Microsoft would have seen any > profitable market for Hindi version of the windows, the product would have > been with us long ago. Just reflect on this that windows Is in languages > like chinese, thai etc. but not in Hindi or any other indian language. We > all very well know that majority of our population feels comfortable working > in their own language. > > I also know that company like IBM has a fully developed hindi language voice > recognition socftware. I have seen the demo myself and it is extremely > impressive. They were aggressively looking for marketting partners for it. > No one wants to invest in marketting of any software in India. > > As number of users we are very big. But as market we are very small. Whole > of our IT industry works for over seas work because it is there they find > value for their work. If you would like to ask a team of developers to > create a quality product for us, what do we have to offer to them? > > Earn money from some where else, make a product for us and make it available > free of cost from your web site. Any thing more expensive than that and we > have enough brains to crack it. > > To my mind there can be only two development models: > > 1. become a market and let development agency get attracted to the market. > 2. adopt open source business model. Where development is funded and then > community joins for its further development. > > I saw many mails in admiration of Dr. T.V. Raman. But how many of us > actually subscribe to his approach for software development in open source > domain? > > Also the question of e-text: > We can never get books when we want them unless we work with publishers. We > are not against them but would like to protect their right too. We would > like to work for our rights also which is to get the material not as hard > copy but in our accessible format. The e-text of braille or talking book > should reach only the persons with print disability. This is our duty to > protect the copy right owner of the work that we want access to. Unless we > indulge in fare play, we would not be able to get acces to books as our > right. > > Dipendra > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ramit Luthra > Sent: 17 November 2007 11:25 > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > Oh, gosh! > I'm amaised with such views "Don't spread piracy". > I feel sorry for those people who are fooling themselves. > What does piracy mean? using something without being authorized for such > thing. Now, does this definition draw any line between "My country's > product" or "Other countries' product" or does it not equally applicable on > each and everything regardless of its cost (whether cheap or expensive)? I > just want to pos a simple Q to all of us; are we not doing piracy in one way > or the other? Pirated screen readers, EBooks, OS, softwares... Too mutch > pirated life we are living. But when the table turns to us; when we're > struck by this sheer activity, we start railing against. At this moment, I > remember one of the Gandhi ji's teachings, Once a mother came to Gandi ji > with his sun. She told to him that her sun ate Gud too much and requested > him for the solution. Gandhi ji asked her to come to him after 15 days. The > lady came again exactly after 15 days, Gandhi ji then told his sun 'My sun, > don't eat too much Gud, it's not good for health.' > The lady asked Gandhi ji 'You could tell the same even last time?' > Gandhi ji replied 'I could not because I also used to eat much Gud till that > time.' > > Ideally I'm too against piracy. To me, crime is crime whether small or big, > less detrimental or greater destructive. But I think I cannot, or for that > matter, do not have the right to stop others for something that I also do in > one way or the other. > > As far as why isn't the development regarding our indigenous needs being > taken place is concerned, what I have observed is that it's not due to the > lack of money, but due to the lack of commitment by those people who are > indulged in such projects. Every year, government/NGO's spend milions for > such development, but for what, an open source ml editor/screen > reader/TTS/IME/Dictionary with lot of errors and unfriendly broken > interface? Those who manage such projects, just pull the development for > next and next phase (unless the funds are being stopped), fill their > pockets, and ultimately, produce softDust which remains only in the record > files, on freely distributed CDs, but never last for more than few days on > systems for use. > > Sorry for my blatant parlance. I was just expressing my views, not > attacking. > > > > On 11/16/07, SriniBrothers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... I too agree with Dipendra and Manish. In fact, this could be one > > reason why there's delay for development of assistive technology / > > barrier-free environment in our country. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manish > > Agrawal > > Sent: 16 November 2007 23:22 > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > > > I completely agree with Dipendra on this. We get what we deserve and > > the reason we don't get any development of accessibility solutions in > > India is because we think we can get away with stealing while someone > > else does the hard work. > > ...or maybe we are so used to living off of charity that we believe > > everything should be free for us just because we are disadvantaged in > > some way. > > > > Regards, > > Manish > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dipendra > > manocha > > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:28 PM > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > > > I feel sad when piracy goes full swing even for low costing solutions. > > > > We are left with no face to speak to any manufacturers to put up any > > time for developing solutions for us. > > > > If we are so stingy in spending then why don't we simply shift to open > > source domain where all solutions are available free of cost and we > > can stop living like thieves. > > > > There is no windows for Indian Languages There is no OCR in Indian > > language There is no decent TTS for any Indian language. > > > > This is the cost that we pay when we do piracy. > > > > We complain that no one made SAPI compliant TTS. It takes 6 months of > > 4 programmers to make non SAPI TTS into a SAPi compliant one. If > > Prologix decides to do it for us then we will make them to starv or > > force them to close down their company due to losses. > > > > We cannot scan any Indian language books. We all complain about this. > > Why do > > you think ABBYY would be interested to create a Indian language OCR? > > Do you think they will be able to recover their cost here? > > > > Is Vachak so unaffordable? > > > > Dipendra Manocha > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amar jain > > Sent: 16 November 2007 11:04 > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > > > Thanks a lot sir. > > I will try it out and tell you. > > Regards, > > > > On 11/16/07, Ramit Luthra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > You should not run files with the extention .z01/2... Just run the > > > file with the extention .zip because else files are just > > > subsidiaries of this main file. And yes you should extract the main > > > file to start the installation. It will automatically extract all the > subsidiaries. > > > Note you must have winzip or other similar tool which support > > > splitted > > > > > zip file format. > > > > > > Regarding licensing Vachak, I don't know, it should have worked if > > > you'd followed the steps exactly because it's been working fine with > > > me. Anyway, I've separately uploaded license files which you can > > > download from > > > > > > ProLicense.dat: > > > http://www.sendspace.com/file/4i8y0k > > > > > > ProLicense.txt: > > > http://www.sendspace.com/file/bao3bn > > > > > > Now, try this out again: > > > 1. Go to your Vachak directory (in program files, where Vachak has > > > been installed, insure: This directory must have more than 8/9 > > > files, some files must be named something similar to 'vachak.dll', > > > 'lang.dll'.) > > > 2. Copy both the license files you just downloaded. (If "Confirm > > > file replace" dialog appears, click Yes to All/Yes button) 3. Go to > > > the program folder of LSW (Insure: This folder must have more than > > > 20 files, some names are - 'DocEdit.exe', 'license.rtf', 'user > > > manual.def'.) > > > 4. Copy both the downloaded license files here too (Click Yes if any > > > replace confirmation dialog appears.) 5. Now Start document editor, > > > run Vani with F5, choose Hindi... from the language menu, and type > > > something, if Vani speeks the typed character, Hurrah! > > > > > > If this doesn't work, Tell me, I have one last alternative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/14/07, firoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > same here > > > > sender is not explaining with detail how to manage it i have also > > > > down load it but no result > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Amiyo Biswas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:37 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I downloaded all the files. But two files--vaachak01.g02 and > > > > > vaachak02.g03--have invalid file extensions. Or I do not have > > > > > the programmes associated with these types of files. > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, the files Vaachak01.zip and viavoice01.zip are also > > > > > invalid winzip files. The error message reads: > > > > > Compressed (zipped) Folders Error The Compressed (zipped) Folder > > > > > is invalid or corrupted. > > > > > OK > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Amiyo. > > > > > Cell: +91-9433464329 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ramit Luthra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "amar jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 5:38 PM > > > > > Subject: [AI] Here's Your Diwali Gift! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Many of our friends have requested me to upload Vachak on > > > > >> sendspace so here it is, I have uploaded it, + with an extra > > > > >> bonus gift bundled together; that is, viavoice outloud! If > > > > >> someone asks "What is it?" So, it's a speech engine for many > > > > >> foreign languages like US and/UK/Australian English, french and > > ...! > > > > >> But, what I have read on the website of LSW and in its user > > > > >> manual, tells that Vani supports only US English version of > > > > >> ViaVoice at present. But that's not bad, after all, we'll get > > > > >> rid > > > > > > >> of bloody Narrator voice and may enjoy jaws like voice with LSW! > > > > >> > > > > >> So, go grab the gift you all, > > > > >> Vachak: > > > > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/noekjf > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/ibilg6 > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/c5pn5j > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/e1kh9d > > > > >> > > > > >> Outloud: > > > > >> USXX (2m, contains only USEnglish engine) > > > > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/wn4esj > > > > >> > > > > >> Full (17m) > > > > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/o3lqev > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.sendspace.com/file/qs3ib8 > > > > >> > > > > >> You should download the full one as you may require to install > > > > >> any other language in future, but as of now, you're required to > > > > >> install the US English engine only. I recommend you to install > > > > >> it > > > > > > >> from the main folder's "outloud" setup.exe file instead of its > > > > >> subfolder USXX folder's setup.exe file. If you're installing > > > > >> from > > > > > > >> the main setup.exe file, uncheck all the other languages check > > > > >> boxes (if they are checked by default.) > > > > >> > > > > >> After installation > > > > >> To have viavoice worked with Vani, you must do one thing (which > > > > >> you can also read entirely on the download page of LSW,) anyway > > > > >> I'm just explaining it briefly here. > > > > >> Open the program folder of viavoice (which should be > > > > >> 'c:\Program Files\Via Voice' or something similar to it,) copy > > > > >> the file named > > > > > > >> 'ibmeci50.dll', open system's system folder (just tyep 'system32' > > > > > > >> in the start menu's run dialog and press enter,) and paste the > > > > >> file here, you're done! > > > > >> > > > > >> Note: What I have read on sendspace, if an uploaded file isn't > > > > >> downloaded for seven (7) days, the file is deleted > > > > >> automatically (for free users), So, do download it frequently > > > > >> to persist it for > > others. > > > > >> > > > > >> Happy Diwali..!..!..! > > > > >> Ramit > > > > >> > > > > >> To unsubscribe send a message to > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > >> > > > > >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > > > > >> changes, please visit the list home page at > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.o > > > rg > > > .in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > > > > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > > > > > changes, please visit the list home page at > > > > > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.o > > > rg > > > .in > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > with > > > > the subject unsubscribe. > > > > > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > > > > changes, > > > please > > > > visit the list home page at > > > > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.o > > > rg > > > .in > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other > > > changes, please visit the list home page at > > > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.o > > > rg > > > .in > > > > > > > > > -- > > AMAR JAIN. > > MOBILE:+91 99298 79006. > > EMAILS:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with > > the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > > please visit the list home page at > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org > > .i > > n > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > > please visit the list home page at > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org > > .i > > n > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > > please visit the list home page at > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org > > .in > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1132 - Release Date: > > 15/11/2007 > > 09:34 > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1132 - Release Date: > > 15/11/2007 > > 09:34 > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > > please visit the list home page at > > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org > > .in > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. 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