Yes, I completely agree with Vedprakashji. UDID card must be allowed to be used for all purposes by central, state as well as local governments. The existing concession certificates/other documents must also be permitted. This will eventually motivate everyone to get UDID cards. Regards, Rohith
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 8:39 AM Ved Prakash Sharma < [email protected]> wrote: > I think, institutions are not demanding UDID card only system to avail > concession tickets. However, those who have got the UDID card, should > be given the facility to use the same and also to use the same to book > online tickets. > Those who do not have UDID card, will keep on using the old system > thhere should be no problem in it. Presently also, there are two > different documents to avail tickets: one, railway concession forms > duely completed, and two, Online booking rail cards which are being in > online as well as ofline mode. > > On 6/20/23, pavan kallem <[email protected]> wrote: > > I concur with Shri Bhawani Shankar Verma, who has rightly pointed out > > that many people in our community, including myself, do not have a > > UDID card yet. I applied for it a long time ago, but I have not > > received it yet. This is because disability is a state subject under > > the Indian Constitution, and the designated department is responsible > > for issuing the cards in their prescribed format. > > > > I sincerely request all NGOs who are considering approaching the > > Supreme Court to first make an effort to get us UDID cards. We are > > ready to provide our credentials if necessary. > > > > Thank you for your time and consideration. > > > > On 6/20/23, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On the subject line, before going to the hon’ble supreme court, the > >> following points are to be considered: > >> > >> It is a discretionary power of the department who is providing > >> concession to design a prescribed form to avail the benefit and upto > >> what level they shall provide it. Example is: all the state and central > >> govt are providing free or subsidized ration to BPL families, each and > >> every state government have its own ration card. As the ruling party > >> take over after election, they often replace the ration cards and all > >> the beneficiaries have to mandatorily obtained the new card from local > >> body. > >> > >> 1. Suppose, we willwin the battle, and railway shall make UDID a > >> mandatorydocument to avail concession, it will become very difficult > >> to avail it because many disabled persons are even unable to get > >> aadhar and aadhar is the only document to get UDID and e-disability > >> certificate. > >> > >> My suggestion is that NGOs should organize camps to reach maximum > >> disabled population to get UDID card and e-disability certificate for > >> disabled persons. > >> > >> On 6/19/2023 9:01 AM, Ved Prakash Sharma wrote: > >>> Please provide H C Judgement if any list member has it. Some of my > >>> friends wish to challenge the same in S C. > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> On 6/18/23, Ajay Minocha<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Completely agree with Harish Ji. > >>>> > >>>> On 18/06/2023, harish kotian<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> Hi > >>>>> > >>>>> Kanchan, had hinted something important, however, as I see her hint > >>>>> was > >>>>> missed entirely. I do understand, why it was not possible for her to > >>>>> spill the beans. It is important and that is the reason what I think > >>>>> she > >>>>> had hinted. > >>>>> > >>>>> A few disclaimers: Firstly, I have not discussed about this with her. > >>>>> Secondly I do wear 2 hats, one as a moderator and the other in my > >>>>> individual capacity. In this instance I think it is essential to be > >>>>> doubly sure that this mail is entirely in my personal capacity. > >>>>> > >>>>> What comes foremost in my mind is when Sant GuruNanak demoed that > >>>>> truth > >>>>> also is not absolute, it also has a context and that too has to be > >>>>> presented correctly. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I need to admit upfront that I am presumptuous as I have neither gone > >>>>> through the judgement nor have I read the petition. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I do recall that NPRD had issued a press note which was shared on the > >>>>> list for withdrawal of circular for UDID as a primary document to > >>>>> avail > >>>>> services and facilities for the disabled. I suppose, here too the > >>>>> petition would have been to withdraw the circular which has a > >>>>> requirement to possess the disability card issued by them. The court > >>>>> may > >>>>> have upheld the defense arguement that the ministry has the power to > >>>>> issue such circular. If this is carried as it is to the supreme court > >>>>> the verdict may not be different. In my limited opinion, the focus of > >>>>> the petition should have been to make the UDID as one of the > >>>>> acceptable > >>>>> document for availing the railway concession and not withdrawal of > >>>>> their > >>>>> circular. > >>>>> > >>>>> The judges will generally go by what is presented to them.So it > >>>>> would > >>>>> not be appropriate to say disappointing verdict rather the > >>>>> disappointment should be directed to the possible weak petition or > >>>>> poor > >>>>> presentation. > >>>>> > >>>>> I suppose, what Kanchan did not say in so many words was that one > >>>>> should > >>>>> be extra cautious while approaching the court for the damage that it > >>>>> can > >>>>> do as in this instance is far more greater than taking the > traditional > >>>>> approach. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I hope appropriate lessons are learnt and it is understood that this > >>>>> comment is not entirely specific to this case. > >>>>> > >>>>> Harish. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 6/16/2023 9:00 PM, Muralidharan Vishwanath wrote: > >>>>>> Also, we would be glad and appreciate, if anybody else could prevail > >>>>>> upon the railway ministry to accept the validity of the UDID, by > >>>>>> whatever means at their command > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:53 PM 'Manoj Pai' via AccessIndia > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ministers come and go. Thats what Railways officers tell us. > >>>>>> Since > >>>>>> the 1995 Act I had petitioned and met several Railway Ministers > >>>>>> on > >>>>>> matters related to PwD. The papers were sent to officers of > Rail > >>>>>> Bhavan for action. Nothing happened just a one liner reply and > >>>>>> case closed. These same officer only understood Court language. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You are on the right track Murali ji. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Manoj > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >>>>>> > >>>>>> < > https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_ > > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 20:31, 'Manoj Pai' via AccessIndia > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> So what's stopping you from starting negotiations with the > >>>>>> Railways, Kanchan? The same Railways which call themselves > >>>>>> "Lifeline of Nation" but care a damn for divyangs? Steep > >>>>>> ramps, non workings wheel chairs @ railway stations, every > >>>>>> Railways staff park their vehicles on space reserved for > >>>>>> PwD, > >>>>>> locked PwD toilets etc. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We will all join you when you start negotiating. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Manoj > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >>>>>> > >>>>>> < > https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_ > > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 19:34, Kanchan Pamnani > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have been reading everyones comments about their > >>>>>> disappointment etc. I echo the same. However this was > >>>>>> not > >>>>>> a matter to be taken to court. You have to be > >>>>>> prudent-something gets sorted by negotiations, > >>>>>> discussions > >>>>>> and requests while other issues need to be addressed by > >>>>>> the Courts. The Court should be the last resort and not > >>>>>> the first. I am sure this will get resolved and it > must. > >>>>>> I > >>>>>> have great respect for everyone who tries to resolve an > >>>>>> issue whichever way they know best. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Lets keep going-Advocacy needs everyone. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kanchan > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *From:*'Manoj Pai' via AccessIndia > >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>> *Sent:* 14 June 2023 00:14 > >>>>>> *To:*[email protected] > >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AI] Disappointment judgement of Delhi > HC > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Deeply pained to hear. With full respect to the Hon > >>>>>> Court, > >>>>>> this sounds like asking someone to reinvent the wheel > >>>>>> when > >>>>>> you have one. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This apart, I am sure the Hon Supreme Court will undo > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> damages. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best wishes > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Manoj Pai > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>> < > https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_ > > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023, 2:07 PM, Muralidharan > >>>>>> Vishwanath<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks Ketan. We are discussing it and will > >>>>>> definitely > >>>>>> challenge. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Murali > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 10:47 AM Ketan Kothari > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dear Murali, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This certainly needs to be challenged. I had > >>>>>> discussed the matter > >>>>>> with Shree Rajesh Aggarwal, our department > >>>>>> secretary and he had also > >>>>>> concurred. The problem here is the judges are > >>>>>> not > >>>>>> exposed to > >>>>>> hardships of the disabled and in many cases, > >>>>>> they > >>>>>> go by their common > >>>>>> understanding. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sad indeed! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 12/06/2023, Muralidharan Vishwanath > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > June 12, 2023 > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > *Press Statement* > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > In a Writ Petition {W.P.(C) 2501/2019}, the > >>>>>> National Platform for the > >>>>>> > Rights of the Disabled (NPRD) had prayed > >>>>>> before > >>>>>> the Delhi High Court to set > >>>>>> > aside a circular issued by the Indian > Railways > >>>>>> making it mandatory for > >>>>>> > disabled persons desirous of availing > >>>>>> concessions for rail travel to > >>>>>> > procure a separate photo ID card issued by > the > >>>>>> railways. 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