--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Lisa Yayla <lisa.ya...@statped.no> wrote:
> From: Lisa Yayla <lisa.ya...@statped.no> > Subject: [accessibleimage] Live Describe > To: "'Art Beyond Sight Theory and Research'" > <art_beyond_sight_theory_and_resea...@nfbnet.org>, "'Valerie'" > <descriptio...@gmail.com> > Cc: "artbeyondsightmuse...@nfbnet.org" <artbeyondsightmuse...@nfbnet.org>, > "vale...@moviesfortheblind.com" <vale...@moviesfortheblind.com>, > "art_beyond_sight_educat...@nfbnet.org" > <art_beyond_sight_educat...@nfbnet.org>, > "art_beyond_sight_advoc...@nfbnet.org" > <art_beyond_sight_advoc...@nfbnet.org>, > "art_beyond_sight_learning_to...@nfbnet.org" > <art_beyond_sight_learning_to...@nfbnet.org>, "accessibleim...@freelists.org" > <accessibleim...@freelists.org>, "'cbra...@gmail.com'" <cbra...@gmail.com> > Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 2:58 PM > Hi, > > Wikipedia has an Audio Description site. Link from Movies > for the Blind. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_description > > on it is a link to Live Describe.com a site with freeware > to create audio description to films etc. > > http://www.livedescribe.com/ > > excerpt from Wikipedia > > "Recently the Center for Learning Technology has launched a > new free web based video description service at > (http://www.livedescribe.com). Describers can download > LiveDescribe, a free video description authoring tool and > create video description for video files such as avi, mov > and mp4. Once the descriptions are complete, the description > can be uploaded with one click to livedescribe.com. Blind or > low vision audience members can then download the > descriptions and play them back with the LiveDescribe > Player" > > From LiveDescribe site > > "Welcome to the homepage of LiveDescribe, video description > software designed, prototyped and developed at The Center > for Learning Technology by developer Carmen Branje. > LiveDescribe combines the massive power of a television > studio with the economy of shareware software. Now the home > user as well as the studio professional can add high quality > descriptions to virtual any video source. > > By browsing our community created video description, you > can enjoy video description not available anywhere else. Due > to copyright restrictions however, only the description > audio is stored on our servers, meaning you must have a copy > of the video you wish to have described. Each description > will have a link to the original location of the video file, > however please be aware, not all descriptions will have > working links, meaning you may have to search for the > video." > > Regards, > > Lisa > > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research-boun...@nfbnet.org > [mailto:art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research-boun...@nfbnet.org] > På vegne av Mike Sivill > Sendt: 9. desember 2009 20:14 > Til: 'Valerie' > Kopi: artbeyondsightmuse...@nfbnet.org; > vale...@moviesfortheblind.com; > art_beyond_sight_educat...@nfbnet.org; > art_beyond_sight_advoc...@nfbnet.org; > art_beyond_sight_learning_to...@nfbnet.org; > accessibleim...@freelists.org; > 'Art Beyond Sight Theory and Research' > Emne: Re: [Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research] Movies for > the blind > > Hi all, > Thanks for responding, Valerie, I see your point. You do > say listening to an > audio described film is like listening to an ebook, which > does make sense. > The act of listening is similar in any case. It just bites > me when > generalizations are made that imply that blind people are > participating in > such a different manner that we aren't even actually > participating in the > same event. I would say that most blind people would say > that they "watch" > TV or movies even though it is listening alone, but that > not one blind > person would ever say that they 'watched' a book. I know it > seems like > semantics but I feel it is important to make certain > distinctions. > Anyway, I'm glad the announcement was posted. I had not > heard of the movies > for the blind website and the descriptions there are really > well done. I did > enjoy "watching" some of the TV episodes and hope that > category continues to > expand. I also look forward to seeing further > discussion. What do other > people think? Are we in our right to say we're "watching?" > Maybe even when > the video portion is not present? I watch TV at home > through the sound > system without turning my TV on half the time too. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Valerie [mailto:descriptio...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:32 AM > To: Mike Sivill > Cc: Art Beyond Sight Theory and Research; accessibleim...@freelists.org; > art_beyond_sight_educat...@nfbnet.org; > art_beyond_sight_advoc...@nfbnet.org; > art_beyond_sight_learning_to...@nfbnet.org; > artbeyondsightmuse...@nfbnet.org; > vale...@moviesfortheblind.com > Subject: Re: [Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research] Movies > for the blind > > Hello Mike and everyone. > > I'm sorry to be crashing, but Mike cc'd me on this, so I > feel obligated to > respond to everyone who read it. If there have been other > responses I have > not had a chance to look at yet, having just received this, > please forgive > me for any redundancy. > > My two main points to respond to Mike are that I merely say > people can > listen to Movies for the Blind *like* an audiobook, and > that he gives my > abilities too much credit. :-) > > The About page of Movies for the Blind is intended for > people who have no > prior knowledge of description and the many terms we can > apply to it ("audio > description", "described video", "descriptive video", > etc.). While I refer > to DVS because it is one of the higher-profile describers > in North America, > "descriptive video" is not exactly what Movies For the > Blind has most of the > time. With a few exceptions, MFTB is audio-only, and the > audience does not > experience it with video, which would have additional > benefits for people > who aren't totally blind, people with vision-impairments > consuming media > with friends or family with sight, and sighted people which > include those > learning a language or developing literacy. > > I think everybody knows what an audiobook is, so I use it > as a point of > comparison. Under the definition I'm suggesting (though > perhaps not strongly > enough), an audiobook is a book adapted into audio form so > a person can > listen to it without looking at text - walking along the > street, driving in > a car, doing household chores, or perhaps resting with eyes > closed > somewhere. This was the only point of comparison I wished > to make: that MFTB > is also an audio adaptation of another form of media (in > this case, tv or > movies) which can be listened to without looking at a > screen. It speaks to > the purpose of creating something that anyone with hearing > can enjoy > regardless of sight, with no special adjustments > necessary. > > While different audiobooks have differing levels of > production which assist > the listener's imagination (some are just someone reading, > others have > readers cast for their expression consistent to the tone of > the book, others > have readers adopting different character voices and set in > front of music), > Mike is correct that Movies For the Blind does fill in more > detail. However, > a perennial point of discussion among those who write and > listen to > description is how much to describe and what to describe. > There are > different schools of thought on that, but no matter how > much we debate it, > the fact remains that each describer is limited by time > (even when > description is expanded outside of the original's real > time) and his/her own > perspective. No matter how hard we try, we will never, ever > be able to > describe everything, we will never evoke every visual cue > for which an image > is intended, and we will never look at a scene in exactly > the same way. We > will never be a complete substitute for the sight someone > does not have. > > In my opinion, the describer's purpose is to help tell a > story. Only tell - > not show. A story is nothing without the contribution of > the audience, and > all the creators involved serve that audience. The > words I choose are > essentially lines for the listener to colour in between (or > outside, if > he/she wants) to give the story its ultimate life. And > while I like to think > I'm pretty good at what I do, the listener's imagination > still has a lot of > work to do (hopefully enjoyable) to make it worth > anything. > > Thanks very much for getting through this. :-) Thanks to > Lisa for mentioning > MFTB, and thanks to Mike for his opinion and for bringing > this to my > attention. > > Peace, > Valerie > -- > Movies For the Blind > http://moviesfortheblind.com/ > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Mike Sivill <mike.siv...@viewplus.com> > wrote: > > > I really don't agree that descriptive > video is like an audio book. > Listening > to action and dialog going on is very > different from reading a book > and > using your own imagination to form the > voices and images in your > head. > Just my humble opinion, they are two > entirely separate experiences. > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research-boun...@nfbnet.org > [mailto:art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research-boun...@nfbnet.org] > On > Behalf > Of Lisa Yayla > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:51 > PM > To: 'accessibleim...@freelists.org'; > 'art_beyond_sight_educat...@nfbnet.org'; > 'art_beyond_sight_advoc...@nfbnet.org'; > 'art_beyond_sight_learning_to...@nfbnet.org'; > 'artbeyondsightmuse...@nfbnet.org'; > 'art_beyond_sight_theory_and_resea...@nfbnet.org'; > 'artbeyondsightmuse...@nfbnet.org' > Subject: > [Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research] Movies for the blind > > Got this tip from another list > > > > http://moviesfortheblind.com/ > > > > from site > What is all this? > Well, this is a podcast of public-domain > films where I've added > something > called "audio description," which is > additional narration telling > people who > are vision-impaired important visual > elements of a show as they > happen, > helping the film tell its story. This > means everyone can listen to > it like > an audiobook. > > To learn more about the history of > description and where else it is > used > (hint: quite a few places but not > enough!), check out the wikipedia > articles > on the Descriptive Video Service and > audio description. > > Have any questions or suggestions? > Email > vale...@moviesfortheblind.com<mailto:vale...@moviesfortheblind.com>. > > Regards, > > Lisa > > > -Scanned by Exchange Hosted Services- > > _______________________________________________ > Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research > mailing list > art_beyond_sight_theory_and_resea...@nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research_ > nfbnet.org > <http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research > _%0Anfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options > or get your account info > for > Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research_n > fbnet.org/mike.sivill%40viewplus.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research mailing list > art_beyond_sight_theory_and_resea...@nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research_nfbnet.org/lisa.yayla%40statped.no > > > -Scanned by Exchange Hosted Services- > > > To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. 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