Hi, First of all, this is a wonderful discussion. Thanks for starting this thread.
coming to the point, in none of my dreams was I a sighted person. I was always a visually challenged person in my dreams, though I dream of becoming a sighted person one day(smile). In fact, I still get a dream wherein I have to go home with sunlight deteriorating. This is because I can't navigate alone in darkness. This emphasises what learned experts have said, dreams are only an extension and/or reflection of our personal, emotional, behavioural, and situational factors. Coming to impact of blindness by birth, blindness in childhood and deteriorating vision conditions on dreams, I can only comment on the third as I fall in that category. I can see in dreams only what I can see when I'm awake. For example, if it is day time in dreams, I can see well. But if I have a dream of boarding a bus during night time along with someone, I can only feel the steps of the bus, the crowd around, the bus seats, etc, and nothing else. Coming to impact of past vision condition on dreams, honestly I can't recollect how I used to dream and compare it with how I'm dreaming now. But I feel I can see more in dreams than what I can see when I'm awake. This goes with what Harish sir wrote. But I can't compare between situations/locations/persons that I'm familiar with now or in the past and those I'm not familiar with. I feel familiarity with a situation or location or person has some impact on his vision condition in his dreams, if the person is experiencing/ has experienced deteriorating vision conditions. I request everyone to specifically mention the mail he/she is replying to as this is a complicated subject as it would help in understanding things better. I also request someone like Rajesh sir to contemplate pursuing a small research on this issue. We can come up with a questionnaire and get it filled by people. We can then analyse, interpret, and draw some conclusion. It can be on a very small scale. r On 1/24/12, Shadab Husain <shadab...@gmail.com> wrote: > In some dreams I see all the colours and faces while in some not. My > laptop, I learnt a few days ago, is black. But I had thought that it > is my favourite white, and I continue to see it white! I wear a jacket > which is gray and black, but I used to think that it is my favourite > blue and still I see it blue! I lost vision gradually but pretty > curiously I suddenly realised that I have actually lost a considerable > amount of it because I was habitual of seeing things. This time also > my eyes are full of colours and brightness. Thank you, God! > > On 1/24/12, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: >> Well, due to memory and reflexive habit, we tend to visualize to the >> extent >> we could actually see once. >> >> This holds true for totally blind as well, for totally blind even by birth >> are not usually plunged into total darkness unless they don't have eyes >> and >> so on. >> So, we cannot go beyond actual visual percepts, not even in our dreams. >> So, I hold all claims of inner eyes etc. to be totally bogus and direly >> misplaced... >> A person who has never experienced light would essentially dream in a way >> which does not include light, as I do dream without experiencing color as >> I >> have never experienced it, and experience light only to a limited degree >> which corresponds to my actual light perception. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bijal patel >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:31 PM >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >> hearing /speech impaired. >> >> Hello all, >> I lost my vision gradually and now even no light perception. If I am >> talking about dreams, no any difference between present and past. Same >> human being's faces, moments and world which I saw earlier. In my >> daily routine life, I feel same visualization of objects, places and >> relatives of which I saw in my past. Many times, during conversation, >> my mind starts to imajine very minor human actions like moments of >> eyes, lips, nose, including entire body according opposite person's >> voice and situation. So several times, I forget whether I have really >> no vision. I don't know it's a power of strong imagination, >> visualization or memory. Yes, it's true, now having no colour >> perception, my mind doesn't focus on colouring world, so many times, I >> use to ask colour of objects, and then no problem! >> Still waiting for experiences of totally/blind members. >> While writing mail, one more query, Is there any devise which can show >> our visualization or night dreams? Really smiling. >> Thanks a lot for all interest. >> Bijal. >> >> On 1/24/12, hemase...@ingvysyabank.com <hemase...@ingvysyabank.com> wrote: >>> >>> I too lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period. I cont see any >>> images.con't even see my parents faces. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]On Behalf Of Sudhir R >>> (NeSTIT) >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:41 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI,& >>> hearing /speech impaired. >>> >>> >>> Did you lose your eye sight instantaneously (as in an accident like >>> Harish) or over a very brief period of time (like Payal ) ? >>> >>> In such cases, the images stored in your brain must be crystal clear >>> till the "n- 1'st moment. >>> >>> In my case, I lost my vision over a 10 year deteriorating period >>> Perhaps, my brain stored progressively degraded images. >>> >>> Does this explain the difference between the two sets of contradictory >>> reports ? (smile) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sandeep >>> Singh >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 12:33 PM >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>> hearing /speech impaired. >>> >>> Hi, >>> My experience is totally different. I still see the images and >>> colours and evrything else as vividly as I used to. I can even see >>> the faces of people exactly as I remember them and also as Harish >>> wrote of those I have never seen. >>> Best regards, >>> Sandeep >>> >>> At 11:54 AM 24-01-12, you wrote: >>>>Yes, indeed, Rajesh, there is a gradual deterioration in the quality of >>>>images during dreams over the last 11 years of my total sight >>>>impairment. As if, the archived visual data is degrading over a >>> period >>>>of time. >>>> >>>>This is surprising, since I was under the impression that the brain >>>>continued to store information with data integrity even long after the >>>>individual could actually recollect it. I have read about experiments >>>>where electrical stimulation of brain areas made the person actually >>>>hear a song long after he had ceased to remember it. Your considered >>>>views on this interesting subject, please, as an expert in human >>>>Psychology. (smile) >>>> >>>>RS >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, >>>>Rajesh >>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:09 AM >>>>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>>>hearing /speech impaired. >>>> >>>>I wonder how clearly those who have lost sight late in life can have >>>>visual perceptions in dreams? >>>>Whether clarity diminishes with passage of time? because they don't >>> have >>>>visual sensations now in their waking life? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >>>>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H >>> P >>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:58 AM >>>>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >>>>Subject: Re: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>>>hearing /speech impaired. >>>> >>>>Hi Bijal >>>> >>>>I suppose, dreams are just the manifestation of the world of your >>>>awakened conscious state. What ever gives sensory inputs, those would >>> be >>>>reflected in the dream state. >>>> >>>>Continuing with Vetri's comments, sexual experiences in dream would be >>>>triggered by biological factors like those of hormones, scent, thoughts >>>>etc. >>>> >>>>Interesting topic. >>>>Harish Kotian. >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: bijal patel [mailto:bijalpatel...@gmail.com] >>>>Sent: 23 January 2012 23:11 >>>>To: accessindia >>>>Subject: [AI] Query regarding night's dreams of totally/born VI, & >>>>hearing /speech impaired. >>>> >>>>Dear friends, >>>>It's just my curiosity to know about dreams during night of totally >>>>and born blind as well as hearing/speech impaired person. >>>>How are the dreams of such persons who never see colours in life? 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