Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution
Hi Friends, as I had posted few days back asking for suggestions for developing software for visually challenged, I got few responses. I thought of few other Software. one of them could be for solving the capcha. I have read all the posts on this thread. as you all know that capcha cannot be eliminated due to security issues, and mathematical questions can be easily solved by bots. but suggestion for text capchas was good. as kartik suggested there can be questions like "your fathers father is your grand father true/false"but technically its too complicated for all websites to follow this approach.how capcha works is, when you copy BotDetect PHP Captcha library to your PHP website folder, you can write php script that generates the CAPTCHA image and set a session that stores the security. so the image is generated at run time and there is no need to store the image and the security code in any data base. but when you consider the option of having multiple logical questions (text capcha) which bots cannot solve, you need to create a separate table to store questions and separate table for storing answers. then you have to establish a relation between the tables using primary keys and foreign keys. later there should be an algorithm to randomly pick up questions and match the answer with the answer entered by the user. it takes lot of effort (I have tried similar approach for generating questions for a quiz software). and creating such data base and algorithm for all websites that have capcha is not practical. and you obviously cannot have a data base shared by different websites. and same algorithm also cannot be implemented for different websites because any bot can easily analyze the algorithm so what I think is, I am going to try to find a way to give a better audio feed back for the existing image capcha. what do you think friends? On 9/17/14, sheik mohammedali <shahid.se...@gmail.com> wrote:fit to windows or actual size are the options which are available under windows photo viewer itself. I mean once you open that image which you will have captured it opens by default under windows photo viewer unless you use any third party image editing programme. On 9/17/14, sheik mohammedali <shahid.se...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi Mohib, fitting to the actual size you will be getting much accuracy rather capturing the entire screen irrespective the web page. so, if you make it actual size or fit to windows, only web contents will be recognized textualy and you could locate the captcha area easily it meant. On 9/16/14, Vinod Benjamin <vinbenji.gr...@gmail.com> wrote:Dear friends , this captcha is becomming great issues now a days , for irctc i have even dropped them a mail in their suggestion box but no reply. So i am asking to the list to do a mailing campain, in those days irctc was accessible but now , literally nothing is working , starting from login captcha to the edit field entering the station names to the callender , to the avilable of seats a problem , so kindly suggest some thing as we are the people who users .. Regards , vinod rayyan sent from Nokia E5. On 9/15/14, Mohib Anwar Rafel <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:exactly how can I put that capcha to be fitted to the maximum of the screen? Since this software has taken screenshot of the whole screen, now this is a whole image, how one part of the image can be taken out to fit it on whole screen? On 9/15/14, rajendra dhurve <rd0...@gmail.com> wrote:On 9/15/14, rajendra dhurve <rd0...@gmail.com> wrote:Hey friends. Please can anybody can tell me, the proper steps toinstall Bluestag and how can I access Twitter, FB and other networkingwith the help of it?? not getting proper guidance On 9/15/14, MEHZABEEN PALANA <zainab.smar...@gmail.com> wrote:hay friends how to i can do fit to window On 9/15/14, Prasanth P.V. <prasanth.mangala...@gmail.com> wrote:On 9/15/14, sheik mohammedali <shahid.se...@gmail.com> wrote:Reply to all mails in this thread. indeed this was the priliminary testing on the accesible captchaselution at my end considering three selutions such as OCR, OTP on mobile and analytical questions which were suggested in this livelydiscussion. among these I felt that the OCR is the best cause non-profitable sites can also implement it. When it comes to the SMS,they will have to invest for the SMS gateway. Critically, messagescannot be delivered in a timely manner and it might delay. And third option was considerable secondarily as per my opinion. But We can’t rely on these OCRs if the captcha is darkest typically on IRCTC site. Else it would work charm. I myself tested on gmail, there too it did not work indeed. I mean to say that there was great miss recognition. And the most concerned part in terms of performing OCR on captcha is that even professional OCRs also fail to recognise the text if it has less 7 font size. So think about the blackest imaged text. This is the factual folks. So now this discussion should get more attention. And some of the folks might use some older mail clients such as outlook express which first downloads from older to recent messages. Better to have recent messages first folks especially if you can’tspare much time to read bunch of mails but even though if you wishto reply. Use later versions of mail clients such as Microsoft outlook2010. It has been said clearly that this solona installation toolto save your precious time of saving file by giving the appropriate file name and get access to it quickly. And the method suggested I thinkthat is obsolete cause windows seven and later versions of windows seven have a tool called snipping tool which can take screenshot ofany part in a click. On 9/14/14, Vikas Kapoor <dl.vi...@gmail.com> wrote:Indeed! this is pretty much available in Win 7 as well, but you know this tool is just to simplify the whole procedure instead of taking multiple steps... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Umesha S E" <umesha....@gmail.com> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution Dear Sheik and others,this service is available in windows XP itself without installingany additional software. if you press print screen key, it captures the screen and puts the content in the clipboard. you can paste it anywhere. Umesha On 9/14/14, bhawani shankar verma <bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote:I have only option to take sighted assistance, and secondly to get rid of this irritation i book my ticket from railway counters. station is not far from my place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonu Golkar" <sonugol...@gmail.com>To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthe disabled.'" <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selutionDear Bhavani,Earlier IRCTC site was accessible for visually impaired, not foreverybody, but I was able to book my tickets easily, nowadays apart from the captchappropblem, there are also problem. My query is that I am facingdifficulty to select date, so how do you manage to select date on IRCTC site. Thank you Regards Sonu Sonu Golkar Mo: +918103416711, E: sonugol...@gmail.com Skype: sonu.golkar -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:28 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution dear sheik, i tried the tool and it is taking the screen shot but could not get the text of that captcha. yes, in IRCTC, you have to face captcha atmultiple stages. either you are signing up or signing in. whilebooking your tickets and ofcourse at the payment gateway. their web page interface isalso worst for the screen reader users. however I always take asighted assistance to book my ticket from IRCTC. otherwise i prefer a counter ticket. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheik mohammedali" <shahid.se...@gmail.com> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selutionHI bhavani, I do not have my account at IRCTC. at least while signing up have we been asked to solve captcha? ----- Original Message ----- From: "bhawani shankar verma" <bsvermad...@gmail.com> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerningthedisabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selutiontry to login IRCTC at your level and let me know. i can try ittomorrow. engaged with some other work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheik Mohammedali" <shahid.se...@gmail.com> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selutionO no no no indeed result is not at all accurate. you should focus on that captcha where it announces like graphic captcha and you will getaccurate results. and did you use FS convenient OCR by makingit actual size or fit to windows. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bhawani shankar verma" <bsvermad...@gmail.com> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selutionDear sheik, I opened IRCTC.CO.IN and tried this tool. the Irun OCR on that png file with the maximised window and got following result. this result come on both command w and s. however, I could not solve the captcha. Microsoft Office Picture Manager File Edit View Picture Tools Help Type a question for help Shortcuts... 55% Edit Pictures... Auto Correct Date modified Type Size 9/12/2014 4:27 PM PNG image 282 KB 6/30/2014 3:22 PM File folder 5/28/2013 12:08 PM File folder 9/10/2014 4:58 PM File folder 9/12/2014 3:33 PM File folder er 8/8/2013 1:14 PM File folder 8/23/2011 5:32 PM File folder er 2014 8/7/2014 3:28 PM File folder en Size: 281 Date created: 9/1 11 Zoom: -----Original Message----- From: Sheik Mohammedali Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:56 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selution you mean to say after the installation? or while executing the file itself. and kindly do not forget to run it as an administrator if you are usingwin seven or eight.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bhawani shankar verma" <bsvermad...@gmail.com> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [AI] accessible captcha selutiondear sheik, as I start the tool I get following error message: solona Unable to write to C:\Program Files\Solona Captcha Tool\picpick.ini. OK -----Original Message----- From: Sheik Mohammedali Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 12:11 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning thedisabled. Subject: [AI] accessible captcha selution Dear all,Here i'm sending you a tool which can take snapshot of yourcomputerscreen just in a keystroke and which can be accessed usingthe freedomscientific convenient OCR. kindly test it and get back here. note: just extract this archive which is just 500 some KB and windows seven and eight users have to execute this file solona install.exe as an administrator. once it is installed, just locate the screen where captcha is found no matter what ever browser you use and simply presctrl+shift+s and you will hear a capture sound. note: thatfile will be saved in the name of "11.png" in your c drive. just open that fileand perform jaws's convenient OCR by pressing the insert+space bar, oand then S. note: before you can perform OCR just make itto "fit to window or actual size for accuracy. 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