On 11/2/14, haridaskrishnamur...@gmail.com
<haridaskrishnamur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear friends and N G oS it is high time to draw the attention of mobile
> producing companies tomanifacture quarty mobiles as you cannot expect
> everyone to be intalligent enough to use touchscreen mobiles.the spare parts
> of quarty are not available.please take up the issue with the companies
> concerned.
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> -original message-
> Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding Inclusive Education and Special School.
> From: Vidhya Y <vidhya....@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/11/2014 8:06 AM
>
> ok Bavya, I read your mail.
> will surely answer your questions tomorrow as I am very busy today.
>
> On 11/1/14, sanjay <sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> First of all, I don't believe that blind people who study in integrated
>> schools will  possess extraordinary skils of mingling with sighted folks.
>> I
>>
>> am also a product of special school. Forget about other books, we were
>> not
>> even provided sylabus books properly. We were introduced to English
>> alphabets in 5th Std. Blaming my Kannada  medium school for not teaching
>> English is unfair on my part.  This was the situation in 1980's.    In my
>> neighbourhood, I had many sighted friends and I was even atending a
>> tuition
>>
>> classss with my sighted peers during weekends.
>> AT certain point of time we have to quit our native place for
>> job/training
>> purposes.  When you go to new place, whether you are a sighted or blind
>> we
>> all have to face initial ods.
>> I have seen many blind folks who  have no  business with any sighted
>> person
>>
>> but are living happily without mourning for sighted person(s)
>> assistance/friendship.  Perhaps, it is their 100% interdependent nature
>> which gave them this level of joy and confidence.  I said interdependent
>> nature because 100% independence is a myth.   It is because of such
>> people,
>>
>> many inventions and innovations of products have been taking place
>> relentlessly.
>>
>> Today's relations are based on  common interest and  reciprocity.
>> Whether
>> you are sighted or blind, as long as you have something to offer or
>> share,
>> you can always have good friends and relatives.  As we mature from
>> childhood
>>
>> to adulthood, the dynamics of relations too change.
>> I have also seen blind people who could not have been educated well
>> without
>>
>> special schools.
>> I do support the view that   primary education should be given in special
>> schools. Then let the children and parents decide what suits them best.
>> Please don't go by the myth that  integrated schools  are the only way to
>> mainstream disabled people in the normal society.  Such concepts hold
>> little
>>
>> value in highly individualised societies of today;  and,  this is the
>> false
>>
>> propaganda by some vested interests.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Amiyo Biswas" <amiyo.bis...@gmail.com>
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and
>> issuesconcerning
>> thedisabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 8:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding Inclusive Education and Special School.
>>
>>
>>>I am not against inclusive education for those who can manage it,
>>>particularly with the support of parents. The old integrated education
>>>programme was the best choice perhaps. I want that the special schools
>>>should be developed with good teachers and resources. In West Bengal
>>>special schools are under the ministry of mass education whose primary
>>>responsibility is to promote mass literacy. The teachers are paid less
>>> than
>>>
>>>the teachers at normal schools. The most pathetic situation is that the
>>>special educators are paid hardly Rs. 8,000 or something like that when
>>>they have to bear greater responsibility than regular teachers.
>>>
>>> Parents want to send their children to normal schools because they gain
>>> financially from it for the incentive. They refuse to talk to the
>>> representatives of the special schools because of this incentive.
>>> Organisations should take up the issue as they did for the copyright act
>>> or the rpd bill.
>>>
>>> With best regards,
>>> Amiyo Biswas
>>> Cell: +91-9433464329
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Vidhya Y" <vidhya....@gmail.com>
>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 2:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding Inclusive Education and Special School.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I still believe that for primary level atleast till 5th grade, Special
>>>> school helps for all
>>>> Blind children.
>>>> I would like to share why I think so,
>>>> till 7th grade I studied in a blind school (in a hostel).
>>>> it was very difficult for my parents to leave me their but that was
>>>> the only alternative.
>>>> I know that the quality of education is not good at the blind schools
>>>> because I had to learn all concepts like algebra and geometry and
>>>> also many concepts in science in the integrated school for my 8th
>>>> grade from scratch(as my friends had already learnt it before 7th
>>>> grade)
>>>> and they had not taught these concepts in blind school.
>>>> for a year or so it was very difficult and later I managed it very
>>>> well.
>>>> I used to stay in a village and there are no good schools near buy.
>>>> my parents have given me all the facilities but english is not what
>>>> they have studied so converting books would not be possible at any
>>>> cost.
>>>> as a girl, there is a question of sending me to any institute to take
>>>> training in computer math etc on my own and the people from  the
>>>> institute  would not come because I stay too far from  city.
>>>> and these institutes are so far from the village.
>>>> in the village where all students in general are not getting proper
>>>> education in computer, english, what about the blind children
>>>> especially at the primary level?
>>>> I studied in integrated school from 8th grade because I could manage
>>>> on my own  at that level with a little help.
>>>> but how could I do that from primary level?
>>>> I have very supportive family and tutors so I have managed to study
>>>> math and programming even in the degree level and now I am working as
>>>> research assistant (thinking of doing PHD in computer science ).
>>>> and there are other blind children especially girls who are  not even
>>>> cared by their families(I am telling this because I know many of
>>>> them),
>>>> same flexibility in mingling with other children and also in mobility
>>>> cannot be expected like boys for girls as all of you know that no
>>>> place is safe.
>>>> and if their are no special schools too, how to educate blind girls
>>>> when  female education in general is too bad in our country?
>>>> atleast through special schools people will learn few basic
>>>> educational skills and survival skills right?
>>>> or else  how to promote literacy among all blind girls?
>>>> this is my personal opineon,
>>>> I know  that  there are many exceptional cases with well educational
>>>> and financially stable parents who can take care of blind children.
>>>> so please don't take this opinion too seriously.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/30/14, Parakh Rajesh <rajeshparak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> the real essence of inclusive education is integration of differently
>>>>> abled
>>>>>
>>>>> to main stream where the notions and hesitance of the sited or normal
>>>>> society is reduced to a level where inclusion of these children
>>>>> becomes
>>>>> smoother. and moreover the feeling of isolation amongst the
>>>>> differently
>>>>> abled population may fade away during the course of time which in turn
>>>>> increases their confidence level. coming to resources and facilities
>>>>> in
>>>>> rural areas or lesser priviliged society the issues are real complex
>>>>> in
>>>>> country like ours. here stronger, pragmatic laws and stiff
>>>>> accountability
>>>>> may help in long term perspective.
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> rajesh parakh
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:51 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding Inclusive Education and Special School.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 'great bhavya, in todays context the need is to use technology in
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> possible ways. further there is a need to create strong laws for
>>>>>> normal schools that they do not refuse any differently abled child
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> admission and provide atleast minimum standard of technology for the
>>>>>> children to achieve education. i think strong rules will surely help
>>>>>> children from rural areas also.'
>>>>>> I think there is a law that mainstream schools cannot refuse to give
>>>>>> admission to a visually impaired child, I might be wrong here. This
>>>>>> wasn't in my case, because I have been studying in my school from
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> I was completely sighted to now, where I am completely blind.
>>>>>> In a poor country as India, perhaps the school may not give
>>>>>> technological solutions to the children, but certainly, they should
>>>>>> allow the use of laptops and other such solutions. I am not sure
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> rural areas, I have seen that some NGOs with lots and lots of
>>>>>> teachers, have failed to spread awareness, and sadly parents of other
>>>>>> blind children aske me whether I am able to use a computer or not,
>>>>>> whether I will drop maths or not, because in those NGOs (I won't take
>>>>>> their names) only and only Braille is taught, and just nothing else.
>>>>>> If NGOs themselves become more aware, then perhaps we can talk about
>>>>>> the adoption of inclusive education in rural areas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/30/14, Ketan Kothari <muktake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Bhavya,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am a student from a "special school".  I have also been a student
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a regular "not normal" school but I personally feel that education
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> important to begin with and then the philosophical debate of
>>>>>>> "special"
>>>>>>> versus "inclusive" for both have their advantages and disadvantages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a case as yours, at least you have parents who have computer at
>>>>>>> home.  How many blind people or their parents in the country have
>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>> What about regional languages?  And yes, the biggest asset that you
>>>>>>> have is your mother who is painstakingly doing the conversion etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not advocating special school but I am of the opinion that a
>>>>>>> child must be educated in the best scenario that helps him.  I have
>>>>>>> been to the villages where both parents have to go to NREGS work and
>>>>>>> the child goes to a regular school with little or no attention.
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> certainly hampers his education and the learning outcomes will
>>>>>>> definitely suffer.  In the best available circumstances, children
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> be in an inclusive environment but e-text can never replace Braille
>>>>>>> till we have mobile sets that are easily accessible, fast to operate
>>>>>>> and can maintain privacy (which present sets do not allow I am
>>>>>>> afraid), and yes, Braille is not a language but a script.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having said all this, I really admire your courage and wisdom at
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> age and for this I would certainly salute your parents.  Their
>>>>>>> perseverance is what led you where you are.  I am sure you will go
>>>>>>> miles in the future.  Wish you best of luck, lad and may you climb
>>>>>>> heights unthinkable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With best wishes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ketan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/30/14, Amiyo Biswas <amiyo.bis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Recently I met some of my teacher friends at a meeting of Blind
>>>>>>>> Persons'
>>>>>>>> Association. We were sharing our experiences in our respective
>>>>>>>> fields.
>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> were all surprised to learn that special schools are not getting
>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>> after inclusive education was introduced. There are hardly a
>>>>>>>> handful
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> special schools for us. If these schools with a very low roll
>>>>>>>> strength
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not get sufficient students, what will be the lot of the next
>>>>>>>> generation
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> visually impaired students?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Inclusive Education programme is in effect for some years. We
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>>> the situation now. As a project it sounds very good. Disabled
>>>>>>>> children
>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>> at normal schools and ideally it helps mainstreaming them into the
>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A cursory glance at a classroom will reveal the real situation. In
>>>>>>>> West
>>>>>>>> Bengal, where I live in, the normal student-teacher ratio is about
>>>>>>>> 1-100
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> many cases. It is even worse at the primary schools. Moreover, the
>>>>>>>> primary
>>>>>>>> school teachers have to perform various duties during census and
>>>>>>>> election.
>>>>>>>> Besides, they have their daily chore of midday meal. Many of these
>>>>>>>> schools
>>>>>>>> do not have the necessary infrastructure for children with special
>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>> Accessible toilets are dreams when the normal children do not get
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> facilities in some cases.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are Special Educators who are supposed to assist the children
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> special needs. A Special Educator has to cover about 30 schools in
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>> Is it possible for him or her to guide a disabled child by meeting
>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>> in a month? We cannot expect him that he will be efficient in
>>>>>>>> Braille,
>>>>>>>> sign
>>>>>>>> language and so on. They are paid very low (hardly Rs. 8,000 per
>>>>>>>> month)
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> appointed on a contract basis. They tend to quit their jobs
>>>>>>>> whenever
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> is an opportunity. Why should well-educated young people stick to
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> job
>>>>>>>> for so humble a salary?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I shall not say that nothing good has come of it. Many disabled
>>>>>>>> children
>>>>>>>> have been enrolled into normal schools or Sarba Shiksha Abhijan. In
>>>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>>> schools there is no pass or fail. So visually challenged children
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> automatic promotion up to class VIII without ever learning Braille.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> heard of a mentally retarded child who goes to the exam and his
>>>>>>>> invigilator
>>>>>>>> writes his name, roll etc. on his answer paper and he gets
>>>>>>>> promoted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is yet another benefit. Parents of the disabled children gain
>>>>>>>> financially from the scheme, around Rs. 4,500. The Special
>>>>>>>> Educators
>>>>>>>> earn
>>>>>>>> their living, whatever it is, from this scheme. But this is all at
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> cost
>>>>>>>> of education. When children with special needs require special
>>>>>>>> training,
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> are thrusting them into an atmosphere where they feel lonely and
>>>>>>>> isolated.
>>>>>>>> They memorise some rhymes and stories, but they seldom learn
>>>>>>>> arithmetic.
>>>>>>>> As
>>>>>>>> a result they grow up with an inferiority complex.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A severe consequence of the scheme is that since the parents earn
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> from this scheme, they do not send their children to special
>>>>>>>> schools.
>>>>>>>> Most
>>>>>>>> of the special schools cannot enrol their full strength.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not want to give up with Inclusive Education immediately. But
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> the following to make it more effective:
>>>>>>>> 1. There should be some financial incentive for the parents who
>>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> children to special schools
>>>>>>>> 2. The block-level social welfare officer should try to find a
>>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>>> school for a child with special needs and when no such facility is
>>>>>>>> available, only then the child should be enrolled in Inclusive
>>>>>>>> Education.
>>>>>>>> 3. Special Educators should be paid in line with the regular
>>>>>>>> teachers
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> all facilities.
>>>>>>>> 4. Braille books, Braille writing frames, Taylor frames and other
>>>>>>>> similar
>>>>>>>> items used by children with special needs should be available at
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> block
>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I shall request all senior members to do something about it. We
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> write
>>>>>>>> to the ministers of Social Justice and Empowerment, Education and
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> PM
>>>>>>>> also. Activists like Mr. Kaul, Mr. Rumta or Dipendra should take
>>>>>>>> initiative
>>>>>>>> with our full support for any action.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With best Regards,
>>>>>>>> Amiyo Biswas
>>>>>>>> Cell: +91-9433464329
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