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1. FTPMail, Agora, etc. statistics
2. other commands on AltaVista exept "host"? (2)
3. Dejanews search syntax (2)
4. Moral servers
5. W3mail or W4mail?
6. ACCMAIL Digest - 20 Jan 1999 to 21 Jan 1999 (#1999-22) (2)
7. <No subject given> (3)
8. Recipients of ACCMAIL digests
9. No subject given (2)
10. Mr. Biogate, you are wrong. (2)
11. Seek-n-Find Mailing List
12. Images (2)
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:30:54 -0800
From: mary m boondy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: other commands on AltaVista exept "host"?
Hello all
Very helpful hint from Lucian Skyeclathde
about HOST command.(Host:microsoft.com).
Are there anybody knows other useful
search techniques-commands on AltaVista?
TIA.
George
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:54:55 +0100
From: "Dr. Thomas Waechter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dejanews search syntax
Could you tell me the Syntax for phrase searching in
Dejanews? Does it need the "" (%22) character? The statement
in "user guide to www search engines - DEJANEWS search
engine <ftp.netcom.com/pub/gb/gboyd/wsdeja.faq> (quoted
below) seems unusual. The same Syntax is for phrase
searching as for "AND".
---
<begin>
Using %26 (AND)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is the default connector, and is used when you want all the
words it connects to appear in a posting. For example, either
of the following searches
monkey%26business
monkey+business
would retrieve all records with "monkey" and "business" in
them.
PHRASE SEARCHING
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Phrase searching is used to search for strings of characters
with internal spaces, most
commonly multiple words. The engine treats the string as if it
were one long keyword.
Syntax: "<keyword1>+<keyword2> ..."
Example: ?QRY=nuremburg+trials
Example: ?QRY=the+end+of+the+world
<quote end>
---
tia,
Thomas
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:23:19 +0100
From: "Dr. Uwe Klemm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Moral servers
Elek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[...}
>>>
But on the other hand you can't make your server run *JUST* for those
documents you agree upon. What if you were, say, a conservatory and a user
tried to retrieve documents about laburist leaders? Wouldn't it be funny to
deny that? Not too much differently about pornography. It has always been
so that many hate it and many others read it. Matter of opinion, no more,
everyone's got his/her own mind on that and it is equally right and
acceptable as far as it doesn't hurt anybody.
<<<
While siding w/you in your stand about porn in general, I'd like to applaud
your pinpointing precisely the cause of shutting down services.
To some admins of servers w/in the .edu domain it seems to be an ugly job
to revive the servers from *overload* caused by pornophilic requests at times.
If the operator have to go wretching w/ dismay of what they see while having
to clear the server's store, they are justified *by health issues* to cease
serving...
So, again, humans with their (mostly unreflected) values are bound to be
the weakest link in the service chain.
Regards,
U. Klemm, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:48:22 -0800
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: other commands on AltaVista exept "host"?
At 02:30 AM 1/22/99 -0800, mary m boondy wrote the following:
>Are there anybody knows other useful
>search techniques-commands on AltaVista?
anchor:text
Finds pages that contain the specified word or phrase in the text of
a hyperlink. anchor:"Click here to visit AltaVista" would find pages
with "Click here to visit AltaVista" as a link.
applet:class
Finds pages that contain a specified Java applet. Use applet:morph
to find pages using applets called morph.
domain:domainname
Finds pages within the specified domain. Use domain:de to find pages
from Germany, or use domain:org to find pages from organizations.
host:name
Finds pages on a specific computer. The search
host:altavista.digital.com would find pages on the AltaVista
computer, and host:dilbert.unitedmedia.com would find pages on the
computer called dilbert at unitedmedia.com.
image:filename
Finds pages with images having a specific filename. Use image:elvis
to find pages with images called elvis.
link:URLtext
Finds pages with a link to a page with the specified URL text. Use
link:altavista.digital.com to find all pages linking to AltaVista.
text:text
Finds pages that contain the specified text in any part of the page
other than an image tag, link, or URL. The search text:cow9 would
find all pages with the term cow9 in them.
title:text
Finds pages that contain the specified word or phrase in the page
title (which appears in the title bar of most browsers). The search
title:Elvis would find pages with Elvis in the title.
url:text
Finds pages with a specific word or phrase in the URL. Use
url:altavista to find all pages on all servers that have the word
altavista in the host name, path, or filename--the complete URL, in
other words.
These are all described in my wsalta.faq.
You can get the file by anonymous FTP at:
get ftp.netcom.com/pub/gb/gboyd/wsalta.faq
Or by Agora, Getweb, or W3mail
send ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/gb/gboyd/wsalta.faq
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:41:20 +0800
From: Raymond Tau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: W3mail or W4mail?
At 21:13 1999/1/20 +0800, you wrote:
>I like to download .zip file by email. Before, I be used the
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], but now it is die.
>Maybe you can tell me, now which servers are more good for downloading
>the .zip file. How to do?
You may use www4mail servers. There's 3.
WWW by MAIL Gateway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www4mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sorry, I only paste them from Eudora Light.
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File Supporter
Personal Feeling.... Net (Virtual ISP)
URL : http://www.personet.net
Support : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:14:45 +0300
From: Mohamed Thameem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ACCMAIL Digest - 20 Jan 1999 to 21 Jan 1999 (#1999-22)
Hi All,
Could anybody advise me how I should write command to get the newspaper
from www.dinamani.com
Your advise would be highly appreciated.
Mohamed Thameem,
Riyadh Saudi ARabia.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:13:32 -0800
From: mary m boondy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: <No subject given>
Hi all
>From Gerry Boyd reply:
These files can be downloaded and
viewed instead of executed by replacing '.' in a URL with a '%2e'.
If anybody can point me to some good info on converting this
hex,decimal,octal,etc.,and there relationship ?Confused....
FAQ?
TIA.
George.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:18:05 -0000
From: Patricia Rousseau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Recipients of ACCMAIL digests
Hi, my names is Patrícia and I'm from Portugal - Leiria.
I'm new here in ACCMAIL.
Can anyone send me e-mail about Tai Chi Quan?
Patrícia Rousseau
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:59:07 +0800
From: Sky Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: No subject given
[EMAIL PROTECTED] was a very good FREE web-by-email (WBE) service, but its
provided help message what can retrieved by help command was to short,
does anybody know any more information about it? such as 'retrieve
split/max. size', etc.
Thanks!
Sky Lee
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:39:07 +0800
From: Sunnie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mr. Biogate, you are wrong.
Hello Biogate,
Wed. Jan. 20, 1999, you wrote:
>About China, we do remember that in that country just speaking out one's
>opinion is a crime, so let's let that alone (I don't mean to offend chinese
>people, on the contrary I think they should react to change this situation).
Sir, you are totally wrong. I am a Chinese living China now. YES. I
cannot guarantee you there is no such a case in China. But most of
them are the defendant(s) not only speak(s) out his(her, their)
opinion(s) but also execute(s) criminal things which really do very
harm to national safety and people's life & living. Therefore no government
would sit on her hands and see it happens.
Sir, I am sorry to say: "You may be misguided by western medias and/or
beclouded by some Chinese who is dissipated in the foreign lands with
ulterior motives." Have you been to China? Say, I like Italian movies
but I do not judge Italy is full of Maffia and is a paradise of all
kinds of criminals.
Sir, China is being a developing country. Yes, it need improvement, but
closing-eye's imagination and self-righteous criticism is no good to
help her and only get counterwork that I don't want to see and I bet
you don't want too.
Sir, you are welcome to China. To visit and to see what have happened
in China in the last ten years will let you know how hard Chinese are
working on and what Chinese will win in the future.
By the way, Chinese say that the affair of Sitsang (Tibet) is always Chinese
internal affair, which DO NOT need the outsiders to deal with. Remember
that SIR(s). Chinese mean it.
==========================================================================
Sorry, Mr. Boyd. I know it is far off topic. You can kick me off.
However, I shall do that for my motherland's name and glory. I beg
your pardon for abusing your forum.
Best regards,
Sunnie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:04:31 -0800
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mr. Biogate, you are wrong.
At 01:39 AM 1/23/99 +0800, Sunnie wrote the following:
>Sorry, Mr. Boyd. I know it is far off topic. You can kick me off.
>However, I shall do that for my motherland's name and glory. I beg
>your pardon for abusing your forum.
You weren't. I let many posts through to to generate a little
change of pace but now I think it's time to close this subject and
get back to ACCMAIL business.
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:06:35 +0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Seek-n-Find Mailing List
At 22:06 21-01-99 +0100, you wrote:
>The below announcement was on New-List recently:
>
>--[snipped]-----
>
>Subject: NEW: SEEK-N-FIND - Humans AS Search Engines
>
>SEEK-N-FIND on onelist.com
>
>The best search engine are the people who search the Web. Seek-n-Find
>is an email list where you send in request to the other members for
>sites on the subject you are looking for. For example: "Looking for
>web sites on apples". Any members knowing sites that answer you
>request will reply to the list with the sites. This is a family safe
>site. No porno/"R"/"X" rated request allowed.
>
>To subscribe, email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>--[snipped]-----
>
>Frits Westra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
If you are on the list . . . how many post do you get on average?
Sen C.
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:44:38 -0800
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: <No subject given>
At 04:13 AM 1/22/99 -0800, mary m boondy wrote the following:
>>From Gerry Boyd reply:
>These files can be downloaded and
>viewed instead of executed by replacing '.' in a URL with a '%2e'.
>
>If anybody can point me to some good info on converting this
>hex,decimal,octal,etc.,and there relationship ?Confused....
Convert from decimal to binary by dividing by 2 or learn the byte
code from 0-255. To convert to hex; group the binary digits in
groups of 4 each. Convert to hexadecimal equivalent. To convert to
octal; group the binary digits into groups of 3 and convert to the
octal equivalent. This actually sounds harder than it is.
Here are some examples:
You look in an ASCII table and find that the decimal value of an
uppercase 'A' is 65.
The binary code for this is: 01000001
To convert to hex, group by four; 0100-0001 and write hex value 41
To convert to octal, group by three; 01-000-001 and write octal
value 101
Still don't get it?
Well the binary value 01000001 can be read (starting from the
right) as 1-one, 0-two's, 0-four's, 0-eight's, 0-sixteen's,
0-thiry-two's, 1-sixty-four's, and 0-hundred twenty-eight's.
Hex values Octal values
0000 - 0 000 - 0
0001 - 1 001 - 1
0010 - 2 010 - 2
0011 - 3 011 - 3
0100 - 4 100 - 4
0101 - 5 101 - 5
0110 - 6 110 - 6
0111 - 7 111 - 7
1000 - 8
1001 - 9
1010 - A
1011 - B
1100 - C
1101 - D
1110 - E
1111 - F
The binary values of the ASCII chart go from 00000000 to 11111111
which is 0-255 in decimal and 0 to FF in hex and 0 to 377 in octal.
You can write a program to do this, make a spreadsheet of them to
print and save, buy a Sharp calculator that has the conversion
between bin, hex, oct, and dec, or do it with paper and pencil.
It's really very easy!
Here's a simple C++ program that I use in my C++ class:
// Example stream processing
// Print a table of the ASCII characters from 0 to 255 in character,
// decimal, octal and hexadecimal format.
// Use the integral stream processing functions with the setf and
// unsetf functions using ios.
#include <iostream.h>
#include <iomanip.h> // ios functions
#include <ctype.h> // isprint function
int main()
{
char c; // define character c
cout << "ASCII characters and values" << endl;
cout << "char\tdec\toct\thex" << endl;
for ( int i = 0; i < 256; i++ ) {
c = i;
if ( isprint( c ) )
cout << c;
else
cout << " ";
cout.setf( ios::dec );
cout << "\t" << i;
cout.unsetf( ios::dec );
cout.setf( ios::oct );
cout << "\t" << i;
cout.unsetf( ios::oct );
cout.setf( ios::hex );
cout << "\t" << i << endl;
cout.unsetf( ios::hex );
}
return 0; // indicate that program ended successfully
}
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:03:29 -0500
From: Lisa Purcell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Images
Hello
I am very much a beginner at all this.
I would appreciate it if someone could give me some tips on how to get images
off a web page by email.
Thanks - Lisa
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:15:11 -0800
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ACCMAIL Digest - 20 Jan 1999 to 21 Jan 1999 (#1999-22)
At 10:14 AM 1/22/99 +0300, Mohamed Thameem wrote the following:
>Could anybody advise me how I should write command to get the
newspaper
>from www.dinamani.com
The site moved to: http://www.xpres-net.com/dinamani/
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:11:06 -0800
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dejanews search syntax
At 02:54 PM 1/22/99 +0100, Dr. Thomas Waechter wrote the following:
>Could you tell me the Syntax for phrase searching in
>Dejanews? Does it need the "" (%22) character? The statement
>in "user guide to www search engines - DEJANEWS search
>engine <ftp.netcom.com/pub/gb/gboyd/wsdeja.faq> (quoted
>below) seems unusual. The same Syntax is for phrase
>searching as for "AND".
>---
><begin>
>
>Using %26 (AND)
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>This is the default connector, and is used when you want all the
>words it connects to appear in a posting. For example, either
>of the following searches
> monkey%26business
> monkey+business
>would retrieve all records with "monkey" and "business" in
>them.
If you use the web page you would type in "monkey business" in the
search box. This is the same as typing "monkey AND business" in the
search box. DejaNews uses an automatic AND between words. Some
search engines force you to add the AND word if you want both words
treated together. DejaNews doesn't. Other search engines require
you to add a "+" sign explicity for connecting words together (like
AltaVista). Because we need the "+" to join words in our E-mail
strings, we have to do things like "monkey+%26business" .
The "+" is our connector and the %26 is the "+" for the forced
connection of words required by the search engine.
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:24:26 -0800
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No subject given
At 11:59 PM 1/22/99 +0800, Sky Lee wrote the following:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] was a very good FREE web-by-email (WBE) service,
but its
> provided help message what can retrieved by help command was
to short,
> does anybody know any more information about it? such as
'retrieve
> split/max. size', etc.
This site doesn't have any options, except for the words "bin" to
force uuencoding and "raw" to force saving of the HTML code. Other
than that, there are no options.
http://someplace.com - sends stripped HTML documents, i.e., plain
ASCII text
raw,http://someplace.com - sends HTML document as is
bin,http://someplace.com/pub/sample.gif - sends uuencoded GIF image
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Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:05:35 +0700
From: Gunawan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Images
Lisa Purcell wrote:
>
> Hello
hello Lisa,
> I am very much a beginner at all this.
so am I...
> I would appreciate it if someone could give me some tips on how to get images
> off a web page by email.
send an e-mail
to : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
subject: (.....what ever you like)
in the body of your Email write:
XIMAGE
url_type the url
> Thanks - Lisa
please anyone, correct me if I'm wrong
Gunawan
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 07:58:18 +0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: <No subject given>
At 16:44 22-01-99 -0800, you wrote:
>At 04:13 AM 1/22/99 -0800, mary m boondy wrote the following:
>
>>>From Gerry Boyd reply:
>>These files can be downloaded and
>>viewed instead of executed by replacing '.' in a URL with a '%2e'.
>>
>>If anybody can point me to some good info on converting this
>>hex,decimal,octal,etc.,and there relationship ?Confused....
>
This should answer you question.
Here is the complete list given to me by Mr. Boyd
some time back . . .
< begin >
On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 03:39:22 +0600 you wrote:
>In the "ACCESSING THE WWW BY E-MAIL, USER GUIDE TO WWW SEARCH
>ENGINES Copyright (c) 1996-98, Gerald E. Boyd Version 1.7 31Aug98".
[...]
>it goes on to give the most commonly used hexadecimal values.
>>From were can I get the entire list?
You don't need to get the entire list as you can derive it yourself. All
need is an ASCII list of all the characters from 0 to 255. You then
convert the decimal value for a character to its hexadecimal equivalent
by dividing by 16.
If you don't have an ASCII table at hand, write a simple program to
print the values from 0 to 255 as characters, decimal, or hexadeciaml
values.
If you can't program in any simple language, you can resort to the DOS
prompt and type values using the alt key with a decimal value to get the
characters. Then convert the decimal values to hex by dividing by 16.
Example; type alt 65 and you will see the uppercase letter A.
65 decimal is hexadecimal 41 (16 goes into 65, 4 times with 1 left over)
If this is too complicated for you, here is a hint, the special
characters run from decimal values 32 to 47, the numerics run from
decimal 48 to 57, some more special characters are at 58 to 64, the
uppercase alphabet is from 65 to 90, some more special characters are
from 91 to 96 and the lowercase alphabet runs from 97 to 122, followed
by 4 more special characters and the delete.
Another hint, decimal 32 is hex 20...
Now if you are real lazy, here is the table:
ASCII characters and values
char dec oct hex
space 32 40 20
! 33 41 21
" 34 42 22
# 35 43 23
$ 36 44 24
% 37 45 25
& 38 46 26
' 39 47 27
( 40 50 28
) 41 51 29
* 42 52 2a
+ 43 53 2b
, 44 54 2c
- 45 55 2d
.. 46 56 2e
/ 47 57 2f
0 48 60 30
1 49 61 31
2 50 62 32
3 51 63 33
4 52 64 34
5 53 65 35
6 54 66 36
7 55 67 37
8 56 70 38
9 57 71 39
: 58 72 3a
; 59 73 3b
< 60 74 3c
= 61 75 3d
> 62 76 3e
? 63 77 3f
@ 64 100 40
A 65 101 41
B 66 102 42
C 67 103 43
D 68 104 44
E 69 105 45
F 70 106 46
G 71 107 47
H 72 110 48
I 73 111 49
J 74 112 4a
K 75 113 4b
L 76 114 4c
M 77 115 4d
N 78 116 4e
O 79 117 4f
P 80 120 50
Q 81 121 51
R 82 122 52
S 83 123 53
T 84 124 54
U 85 125 55
V 86 126 56
W 87 127 57
X 88 130 58
Y 89 131 59
Z 90 132 5a
[ 91 133 5b
\ 92 134 5c
] 93 135 5d
^ 94 136 5e
_ 95 137 5f
` 96 140 60
a 97 141 61
b 98 142 62
c 99 143 63
d 100 144 64
e 101 145 65
f 102 146 66
g 103 147 67
h 104 150 68
i 105 151 69
j 106 152 6a
k 107 153 6b
l 108 154 6c
m 109 155 6d
n 110 156 6e
o 111 157 6f
p 112 160 70
q 113 161 71
r 114 162 72
s 115 163 73
t 116 164 74
u 117 165 75
v 118 166 76
w 119 167 77
x 120 170 78
y 121 171 79
z 122 172 7a
{ 123 173 7b
| 124 174 7c
} 125 175 7d
~ 126 176 7e
del 127 177 7f
And here is a simple-minded C++ program that I use in my class to
emphasize integral stream processing using setf and unsetf functions.
// Example stream processing
// Print a table of the ASCII characters from 0 to 255 in character,
// decimal, octal and hexadecimal format.
// Use the integral stream processing functions with the setf and
// unsetf functions using ios.
#include <iostream.h>
#include <iomanip.h> // ios functions
#include <ctype.h> // isprint function
int main()
{
char c; // define character c
cout << "ASCII characters and values" << endl;
cout << "char\tdec\toct\thex" << endl;
for ( int i = 0; i < 256; i++ ) {
c = i;
if ( isprint( c ) )
cout << c;
else
cout << " ";
cout.setf( ios::dec );
cout << "\t" << i;
cout.unsetf( ios::dec );
cout.setf( ios::oct );
cout << "\t" << i;
cout.unsetf( ios::oct );
cout.setf( ios::hex );
cout << "\t" << i << endl;
cout.unsetf( ios::hex );
}
return 0; // indicate that program ended successfully
}
--
Gerry Boyd -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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