Hi Ludwig,

Carsten pointed me to that document. Mark and I will do a comparison between 
the different solutions. In any case, it is great to see the level of interest 
in this and if you attended the TLS WG session then you can certainly 
appreciate the heated discussion.

One question I was asked at the IETF meeting was why the HTTP Connect 
functionality hasn't been defined in CoAP since this would make certain use 
cases with proxy use simpler.
For me that's a useful addition but does not cover the entire solution space 
since I am also consider non-IP based scenarios.

Ciao
Hannes

-----Original Message-----
From: Ace [mailto:ace-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ludwig Seitz
Sent: 21 November 2017 11:07
To: ace@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ace] Application Layer TLS

On 2017-11-21 10:42, Hannes Tschofenig wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> based on the recent email discussion about the DTLS proxy I thought it
> might be useful that there was some thinking about how to run TLS/DTLS
> at the application layer.
>
> There are essentially two drafts that have been submitted at the same
> time for IETF#100, namely
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tschofenig-layered-tls-00
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-friel-tls-over-http-00
>
> Both teams have worked on prototypes and getting it to work was
> remarkably simple.
>
> Maybe something for this group to look at.
>
> Ciao
> Hannes


I have a vague memory of a DICE draft for doing the DTLS handshake over CoAP a 
long time ago:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-schmertmann-dice-codtls-00

Can the original authors tell us why they didn't go further with that approach?

/Ludwig


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