And, to further add to the sage advice of Mr. Richards - remember that you
CAN call Microsoft and get these fixes at NO CHARGE.  You will have to give
a credit card number to get past the PSS Call Router (the warm body that
takes your name, gets the initial information and then passes you on to the
right group).

Here's the trick: Once you get to the PSS person who will help you resolve
the problem, tell them that you are experiencing the problem in, for this
example, Q812499 and that they should reverse the charge to your card.  A
charge WILL show up - with a credit being applied within an hour of the
charge.

This DOES work - however, no guarantee of weight loss, enlargement of any
other body parts, growth of facial of scalp hair, nor will this aid in a
solution for hunger or a lasting World Peace.

It will however, get a much needed fix into your hands for a small amount of
time spent. Those of you with a TAM (and you know who you are) should simply
ask them.  It magically shows up in your e-mail.  Ain't technology
wonderful?

(Yes, I'm tired, and I still have more work to do..... This is what happens
when Rick is sleep deprived.  Thankfully, I don't operate heavy machinery -
just mission critical computers!)

Rick Kingslan  MCSE, MCSA, MCT
Microsoft MVP - Active Directory
Associate Expert
Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Password change issue

Get Q812499 or SP4.

  joe


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carr, Jonathan
(OFT)
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] Password change issue


OK here it is...


PDC emulator at a central site.
DC at a remote site connected to Central site VIA a WAN link have Bridgehead
with scheduled replication to remote sites Have GP that has strong password
, Max password life 90 days, Min password life 1 days

User contacts help desk because they forgot password (password was
old123$) and locked their acct Helpdesk at Central site reset acct and
password (newpassword new123$)and ck box to have user change password at
next logon User logs in with password (new123$) from Help Desk
        The local Dc does a Pass thru authentication to the PDC emulator
which returns a authentication packet to the client PC User gets "Must
change password" Dialog box
        In the dialog box the old password is automatically back filled with
the password (new123$) he logon with User enter new password (newer123$)and
confirms it.  
When the user tries to finalize the change password he get blow out by old
password not correct.
                the local dc is trying to commit the password change If the
user enters his original password (old123$)(kind of tuff cause he forgot it
that is why he called the help desk in the first place) in the old password
box and enters a new one (newer123$) He is ok and allowed to go foward.


This is really strange  I Know why it happens.

If you force replication thru out the domain before the user logs on this
does not happen but that would be a no no in this place.

If change the password on the PDC emulator and the local dc it does not
happen.


anyone got a valid reason why the client pc does this??
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