Oh, and I have no idea what "pinaple" is, I meant "pineapple".
I am sure you are all excited to know that. And yea, my cell, not tops on my list. :) ~Eric -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:23 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... Yes this is on my short to-look at again list, ETA of tonight, assuming the 4 items above it for the evening get done. I hope to reply back around 1am CST, for those that will still be awake, pending on-time completion of other tasks. Everyone is probably glad to know I had a good dinner. Interesting burger I have not had (it had pinaple on it...it was good), cooked medium. I am now back at work, let the good times roll. BTW, Brett, you also have 2 bugs for ADAM R2. Don't forget. ~Eric -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:02 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... LOL. Actually I posted a response on their website about an article Derek Melber wrote that had an issue. Some people were asking me about it as it contradicted things I had mentioned previously so I made comments about it. Later I got an email asking if they could print my response, I was like, sure, knock yourself out. On the point of Brett's opinion... I agree. Most of the fun with Brett's responses is visualizing his hair flaring in 140 different directions with a red face as he pounds on the keyboard telling people to zark off because they asked exactly the wrong question at exactly the wrong time or possibly asking a slightly wrong question at any time. I don't believe him though when he talks about not recalling how to check replication, he was far to proud of that "brilliant" code in repadmin he was telling us about last April. joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:50 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... Dean, joe - you were right. Brett did, and does - have an opinion. His opinion, as it seems from this is, that you should bloody well go stuff yourself elsewhere, and do the job yourself. However, I *might* have read it out of context... Regardless, Brett - it's always great to hear from you....if it was of value or not. ;-) On a completely different note, I noticed that there is some sorry ass out there that is using joe's e-mail address for letters to Redmond magazine. I know that this was *NOT* joe as he wouldn't be caught dead writing letters to a magazine. Just letting you know, joe, that there is some poser out there using your (well - I use this rather loosely) good name. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Shirley Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:29 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... I have bugs assigned to me across effectively 5 products (E2k3 SP1, MSN Desktop Search, Exch 12, WinXP, Longhorn) ... I'll get right on trying to figure that out for you guys who are MVPs with ?source access? Technically, my job responsibilities don't entail caring about obscure AD schema choices anymore, sorry Dean. In about 6 months I probably won't even remember how to check replication is progressing? or even what "an object" is? I only have to care if your DB is corrupt. >From The Love, BrettSh On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, joe wrote: > LOL. I think I have it already. I rather see him think it out and type > the response. It was part in jest, I know he is pretty busy right now. > He IM's me every few hours to tell me how busy he is and to tell me > how much he hates that I have my IM set to always online. :o) > > As Dean mentioned though, I wouldn't mind hearing your (Brett's) two > cents on this as well. > > joe > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Wells > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:52 PM > To: Send - AD mailing list > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > I'm guessing he would (be mad)... and, more to the point, why don't > you chime in and toss out your 2 cents worth ... you know you have > _an_ opinion on it ... ;-) > > -- > Dean Wells > MSEtechnology > * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://msetechnology.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Shirley > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:47 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Cc: 'Eric Fleischman' > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > Listed on my cell phone is "Online Help", it is a direct line to Eric, > it will even find Eric at dinner (which is his current wherabouts). > > Do you want his cell phone? :> > > Cheers, > -Brett > > P.S. - Debating if he'd be mad at me ... > > > On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, joe wrote: > > > ping ~Eric > > > > > > Pinging ~Eric.texas.cpr.microsoft.com [xx.xx.xx.xx] with 32 bytes of data: > > > > > > > > Request timed out. > > > > Request timed out. > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:42 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > > > > > Well that's why I did the ping. :o) > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric > > Fleischman > > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:37 PM > > To: joe; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > > > > > > > 3 words: blah, blah and blah > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > I'll try and revisit this sometime this week. Sorry, I lost track of it. > > > > > > > > ~Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 11:16 AM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Cc: Eric Fleischman > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > > > > > > > ping ~Eric > > > > > > > > Pinging ~Eric.texas.cpr.microsoft.com [xx.xx.xx.xx] with 32 bytes of data: > > > > > > > > Request timed out. > > > > Request timed out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :o) > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric > > Fleischman > > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:44 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > > > Let me digest a bit and report back. The answer is probably yes, I > > just need to think about it. > > > > > > > > <aside> > > > > Have you noticed that every ldp snip I do is from a different domain? > > Yes, I have that many forests in virtual machines. I just noticed > > that I'm not sure if I've used the same one twice on this list... > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of listmail > > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:30 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > > > > > > > Understood on the constructed. Though it makes you wonder why that > > one is and whenChanged isn't. :o) > > > > > > > > How about the overall more general question, is there a way to > > ascertain what would and wouldn't be displayed? For instance, is > > there something "query-able" that tells me ntsecuritydescriptor > > would or wouldn't be displayed. > > > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Eric > > Fleischman > > Sent: Tue 11/9/2004 6:19 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > > > In this case: > > > > > > > > >> Dn: > > CN=Modify-Time-Stamp,CN=Schema,CN=Configuration,DC=corp,DC=microsoft > > ,D > > C=com > > > > 1> lDAPDisplayName: modifyTimeStamp; > > > > 1> systemFlags: 0x8000014 = ( FLAG_ATTR_IS_CONSTRUCTED | > > FLAG_SCHEMA_BASE_OBJECT | FLAG_DOMAIN_DISALLOW_RENAME ); > > > > > > > > Constructed attributes are only returned 1) If requested AND 2) if > > requested in a base search against the object > > > > > > > > ~Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of listmail > > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:16 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > > > > > > > Nope. Not every attribute is returned. I don't know personally what > > the logic is that specifies what is returned and what isn't. I would > > like to think it is something you can query out of the schema but I > > have never seen anything to substantiate that thought. > > > > > > > > It is easy to see it in action though, query the schema on 2K and do > > the same on K3. You will certain attribs on certain objects returned > > in 2K but not in K3, you have to ask for them meaning that MS backed > > out the default return set. Why I don't know but helped someone with > > an App that blew up because of it. I don't recall exactly what the > > attribute was though, I purposely forgot it so I could have enough > > room in my head to remember the thing about ntsecuritydescriptors... > > > > > > > > What about ntsecuritydescriptors you ask? ntsecuritydescriptor > > should be on every object but when have you seen a query where you > > didn't specifically specify you needed it that it did get returned? > > Answer, you have to ask for it. > > > > > > > > With adfind you would do something like > > > > > > > > adfind -b <somebase> -f <somefilter> * ntsecuritydescriptor > > > > > > > > That will return what I call the * set (star set) and also the > > ntsecuritydescriptor attribute. > > > > > > > > I started to talk to ~Eric about this once before but I don't think > > we ever got to the part of the discussion concerning how it was > > determined what is returned and what isn't. > > > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of AD > > Sent: Tue 11/9/2004 6:00 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > > > Hmm, I am a little bit confused joe. I did not ask for > > msExchAlObjectVersion but it returns it anyways. Isn't LDP suppose > > to return every attribute that is set for a an object? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of listmail > > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 4:31 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > > > Because you didn't request it. That one needs to be specifically > > requested, you can instead use whenChanged which is returned in the > default * set. > > > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of AD > > Sent: Tue 11/9/2004 4:24 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: [ActiveDir] LDP does not return modifyTimeStamp attribute... > > > > > > > > Does anyone know why LDP does not return the modifyTimeStamp attribute? > > > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/mail_list.htm List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/list_faq.htm List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
