Dissecting <surgical gloves on> >>> Its Vancouver in March... Yeah, so? Can't be much worse than MI in March. >>> I am pretty tied up with .... Lame, so lame I'm tempted to not comment :) I am sure most presenters are in the same boat. I am personally in that boat. I am not even sure HOW I will get to DEC yet, because I am not sure which city I will find myself in around that time. So, can't book a flight yet because I don't know where I would be flying in from. So, there.... try something else :p >>> There is also the whole issue of who do I go as? I would think that going in as Joe would be sufficient. I already told you this before - you don't seem to know how much regards you command within the community. WRT who foots the bill, I'd assume that Gil is ponying up the money either way (either as Joeware or JoeHP), so that should really not be a factor. More so, I am sure Gil will be footing your bill even if you show up as Joe-the-cross-dresser. But, I will let Gil speak for himself on that point :) >>> I am not an ethereal guru I did not know that Gil was looking for gurus. I certainly I'm not a guru in anything, and I would take a back seat to you any day when talking about Exchange security. But, I am going, and you are not. So, there again :) Why am I going? Because I think I have seen and done some things on Exchange security that the attendees "MAY" be interested in listening to. I am definitely not bringing anything revolutionary or earth-shattering. I am only hoping that I will say something that will get some of the attendees to go back to their bases and rethink what they have or implement something (if they haven't). My position on conferences and teaching and stuff like this is that I don't go there hoping to meet wizards and have them implant knowledge into my medula oblongata. I do not expect that most people go there for this reason either. I think re-enforcement and pointers and things that get people thinking carry much more weight than just looking to spoon-feed people information. Are you expecting to transform the attendees into Ether-sniffing K-9 in the span of 90 minutes? Wake up, Joe. So, I chalk this down to the "Lame" category. >>> Possibly Gil can take some informal poll at the event on who would like to see a joeware presentation at a future event Yeah, right. So that you could wiggle your way out of it again. You need no poll, Joe. And I know that you know that I know that you knew that. Gil already floated the idea, so I don't see the need to get Gallup involved at this point. >>> Interesting all the MVPs coming out of the wordwork saying they are going now They are probably signing up in large numbers, hoping their massive presence will be enough reason to compell you to show up. Or they could be signing up because they heard that Joe was there the last time around and they want to be able to claim to have seen you in person. Look at it as a bribe, or peer-presure or something. They could also just be going for the beer, who knows? <surgical gloves off> >>> Anyone who has knowledge on some of the more evil ways of breaking into a forest try to keep mum I can certainly say, with absolute truth, Boy's Scout's honor, that I have no clue what you are talking about. Yet, I am supposed to be a Security MVP :) Ironic, uh? This is why I miss you, man. I remember you explaining 1B and 1C records to me back in 99 and me looking at you like "WTF is he talking about? what do this have to do with WINS?" Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joe Sent: Sun 2/13/2005 9:05 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada LOL with all of you. Its Vancouver in March... Even DC in March was pushing it, March is Lousiana or Florida or Arizona or Texas. Seriously though, I am pretty tied up with a customer right now with fun issues with Exchange and third party tools where I at the point of monitoring every change to all user objects as a non-admin. There is also the whole issue of who do I go as? Do I go as joe from joeware or Joe Richards Senior Consultant for a major Technology company. Completely different roles that I have to be careful with on both sides of the fence. Most people in the world know me as joe of joeware not as Joe Richards Consultant so I should go as joe the joeware guy which means costing personal money or riding on Gil which I feel I would need to present something for. That doesn't bother me overly much but the question is what to present? I can use ethereal, I am not an ethereal guru. Hate to see people put in a position of supposed expert there to talk and answer questions on something when they aren't that expert, especially when that people is me. There are a lot of people talking and/or writing on a lot of subjects that they quite frankly shouldn't be talking or writing about and I don't want to drop myself in that category in anyone's mind. I could of course speak about joeware, but it is pretty simple stuff, not sure what could be said about it in a "session" that people would find value in. Possibly Gil can take some informal poll at the event on who would like to see a joeware presentation at a future event, what they think should be in that presentation and we will go from there for the next DEC. I have no problem going as long as work isn't involved or in the way and Gil is getting value out of it. In the meanwhile I will try to figure out something cool to present some time that I would be comfortable presenting and feel is worth Gil giving me that ride as I did thoroughly enjoy the DEC I went to last spring. The straight up best part of the whole event was sitting and casually talking to Stuart and Andreas and Paul Rich and a couple of the other MS guys with beers in our hand after the troubleshooting session. I also thoroughly enjoyed hearing the opinions of the various presenters and where they were taking various ideas layed out and discussed on this actual listserv. Of course the Wook presentation was out of this world; I believe somewhere around Jupiter or Saturn if I had to guess. You had to know quite a bit about AD to really grasp what was being said and make the connections otherwise you were wondering why there was a national forestry service presentation going on at a Directory conference and wondering when Smokey the Bear was going to walk out from the wings. Very enjoyable. Interesting all the MVPs coming out of the wordwork saying they are going now. I don't recall many at the last one. Guido was there but he was ripping DLG/Universal shots off at me up on the podium; you knew the people who were on this list because they would chuckle and turn and look at me which was a pretty good number of the people there. Robbie was trying to get me sick with some kind of cold he had and had me feeling guilty because I knew I had chapters on the laptop up in my room that I needed to get reviewed for him. All and all a lot of fun. Oh BTW, there is a hacking contest I guess. Anyone who has knowledge on some of the more evil ways of breaking into a forest try to keep mum and not impress people. If you know how it is done, you don't need to impress people, you are impressive enough all on your own. Full Disclosure is fine when there is a quick way to fix the problem. Keep in mind, that those holes are not things that MS will be fixing any time soon and if you get them out there in the hands of people who can't find or figure them out on their own you could be opening up cans of worms. Not ripping on anyone, it is just these mechanisms have been around a long time and still most people don't understand how it can be done and I would really not mind if it stayed that way until MS has an answer and unfortunately, that answer is a rather involved redesign or buying products which should not be the base security answer for the forest, that is a position of blackmail. To put it another way, don't show people how to do things that could eventually be used to hurt you unless you explicitely trust the person you are showing to not share with others. I would hate to start hearing from people who know how to break in that couldn't have figured it out on their own and finding out it is because someone wanted to impress folks by showing how it can be done. I would be less than pleasant to anyone listed as being the supplier of that info; granted that doesn't mean much. I trust Rick will have a couple of empties near him to glance off the foreheads of people sharing a bit too much. joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Coleman, Hunter Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:21 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada Sorry, I thought they were asking for a show of hands. Mine's been up in the air for a week now...I was counting on a "Joe's Ethereal for Dummies" session. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:26 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada Could be you, could be me. Is it that no one but Jorge is going to DEC or is it that no one but Jorge knows who I am? joe -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gil Kirkpatrick Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:57 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada I feel so.... rejected. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:11 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada Hmmm. Listen to the roar of indifference.... :oP -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jorge de Almeida Pinto Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:09 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '; 'ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org ' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada I think Joe needs a bit more convincing. Let's vote: ;-) (1) Joe should come to DEC, tell something interesting and he can "leave his shorts on" AND he will get a beer... ;-)) (2) Joe stays at home and afterwards he hears from us how much fun it was CHOOSE... I say (1) Will this convince him? Cheers Jorge -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Sent: 2/4/2005 2:21 AM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] VERY VERY OT: DEC and Vancouver/Canada <<SMIME.txt>> This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. 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