I understand that very well.  I'm looking to find the meaning and perspective behind the request.
 
Even a transient error could be problematic if you *could* match it to the tombstoned object because the same issue could still exist.
 
To prevent the transient errors from occuring, one approach would be to build the userid to sid mapping table in a separate store outside of the AD and local to the application.  Another would be to run the app on the DC.
 
With the off-line version you would be able to input logic that ensures you either have all relevant information or you don't have anything.
 
But again, what is the value of matching a SID to a tombstoned object?
 
Al


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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:08 PM
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Agreed. It would be great to be able to confirm which user the SID belonged to before deleting the SID.

 

Ivor

 


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Al, you know that a resolution problem will sometimes prevent SID translations. So, the mere fact that you see SIDs (rather than names) listed in your ACL does not necessarily indicate that those accounts are dead. So, verification is in order here, IMO.

 

Deji

 


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I'm trying to figure out why you wouldn't want to assume that the accont is either gone or tombstoned?  Why the verification step of looking for tombstoned items?

 

In any event, it takes different rights and settings to see those tombstoned objects.  I wouldn't guess that Zeffy would care about those since they're tombstoned. 

 

Also, if the object is listed incorrectly or referenced by something other than the proper dir object, then what would be the point of keeping it in the ACLs?  There's obviously something wrong at that point right?

 

 

Help me understand the logic/business drivers for this...

 


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Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:41 AM
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Subject: [ActiveDir] Orphaned SIDs

I’ve seen quite a bit of info on this subject but would like to get a firm grip on the situation. I recently deleted a bunch of disabled users from my directory. However, I’m left with quite a few orphaned SIDs in the ACLs and User Rights policies, etc. I would like to clean these up with VERIFICATION, i.e. I would like to know which user SID I’m deleting before ripping the SID out of the ACL.

 

I encountered a few tools on the web but they don’t really help in this situation.

 

http://www.petri.co.il/obj_sid.htm  - This is a cool applet that allows you to do a SID lookup or a reverse SID lookup. If the object doesn’t exist in the directory, it doesn’t access the tombstone information for a match.

 

Then there’s tombstone-user.exe. This util will dump all the tombstone objects from a particular DC. I dumped the tombstones from a DC (it displays SIDs only) and did a find on a couple of the SIDs I see tombstoned in the directory but it doesn’t find the SIDs? Yes, it’s still within 60 days of the objects being deleted.

 

Any help on this issue will be appreciated.

 

 

Ivor

 

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