Why do you want to install Exchange during a DR test as you mention in "The root of my question was could we seize the schema master role from the parent DC and place that role on the child DC - and then successfully install exchange?"
That's still not clear to me #JORGE# -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pelle, Joe Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:41 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] seize schema master question For a six-pack I'll try almost anything! The intent was not to make the child domain think that there was never a parent... we just (for the 48 hour DR test) didn't think having the parent was necessary. The root of my question was could we seize the schema master role from the parent DC and place that role on the child DC - and then successfully install exchange? Joe Pelle Senior Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.valassis.com/ This message may include proprietary or protected information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me, delete this message, and do not further communicate the information contained herein without my express written consent. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:21 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] seize schema master question >From the way I am reading this, it appears that you are yanking out (a >copy of) a child domain and expecting to be able to transfer the Schema (which existed in the root) to a DC in the child domain. For all intent and purpose, you now want your newly-minted (DR'ed) Domain to appear as if it never had a parent before. You want to do this because you just found out that the DR'ed domain is headless and Exchange won't install. If that understanding is correct, I think you are SOL. You can't just prune and graft domains like that. I vaguely remember the "Guido trick" that Jorge alluded to, but I didn't understand the concept he was describing, so I can't tell you if that might work for you in this case. Six-pack says it won't. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Pelle, Joe Sent: Mon 5/2/2005 9:18 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] seize schema master question Why would you want to resurrect the root domain if its working? The child domain was working fine - but I need Exchange installed - which meant I needed the schema role What do you mean with "But since the schema master would in theory never have been online - ever - the seizure would be the appropriate step " For the DR test ONLY - the schema master server was not scheduled to be restored - therefore we would never bring that online - allowing the seizure of the schema role (assuming that you can seize the role from a parent domain) Isn't it true that your forest root domain is OK and up and that you were restoring only the child domain? No - the root was never restored. The original question was that would we need to restore the root to get exchange installed. The plans were only to restore the child domain Trying to understand this one here.. Me too! Joe Pelle Senior Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.valassis.com/ <http://www.valassis.com/> This message may include proprietary or protected information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me, delete this message, and do not further communicate the information contained herein without my express written consent. ________________________________ From: Jorge de Almeida Pinto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:13 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] seize schema master question Why would you want to resurrect the root domain if its working? What do you mean with "But since the schema master would in theory never have been online - ever - the seizure would be the appropriate step " Isn't it true that your forest root domain is OK and up and that you were restoring only the child domain? Trying to understand this one here.. Cheers #JORGE# ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pelle, Joe Sent: maandag 2 mei 2005 16:04 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] seize schema master question Thanks for the feedback everyone.... In retrospect resurrecting the root domain would have been the smart thing to do for many reasons (dependencies). But since the schema master would in theory never have been online - ever - the seizure would be the appropriate step - I just didn't know if moving the schema master to a child domain would have any ill effects on the rest of the infrastructure... Thanks again to all who responded! Joe Pelle Senior Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.valassis.com/ <http://www.valassis.com/> This message may include proprietary or protected information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me, delete this message, and do not further communicate the information contained herein without my express written consent. ________________________________ From: Jorge de Almeida Pinto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:30 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] seize schema master question oops, I forgot.. only seize a FSMO role when really needed. in this case you don't need to seize the schame role why restore a domain if it's working? check only dependencies between the domains #JORGE# ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jorge de Almeida Pinto Sent: maandag 2 mei 2005 15:11 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] seize schema master question * Ping the Schema master form a child domain DC * Check the trust between the parent domain and the child domain with NETDOM or with Active Directory Domains and Trusts (this should be one of the checks after restoring the child domain) * Ask for the FSMO role owners with NETDOM QUERY FSMO * Run DCDIAG /V on the child DC By the way: did the complete child domain go back in time? HINT: think about what happens with objects that were created after the backups use used TIP: when doing a DR of a certain domain or the complete forest you MUST in both situations take the complete forest and its owners into account. There are dependencies and you cannot work alone Cheers, #JORGE# PS.: not so long ago there was a similar thread where I and I think Guido made some suggestions. ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pelle, Joe Sent: maandag 2 mei 2005 14:04 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] seize schema master question W2K3 Domain and E2k3 - Error related to: unable to contact the active directory Joe Pelle Senior Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.valassis.com/ <http://www.valassis.com/> This message may include proprietary or protected information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me, delete this message, and do not further communicate the information contained herein without my express written consent. ________________________________ From: Jorge de Almeida Pinto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:57 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] seize schema master question A DR test... interesting. I have created such a procedure once for one of my customers...damn what a rush! ;-) Is this W2K or W2K3 AD? What are the errors or notifications you have experienced when trying to install exchange? Cheers, #JORGE# ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pelle, Joe Sent: maandag 2 mei 2005 13:25 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] seize schema master question Hello! Our company recently went through a DR test and had some interesting results. One in particular is that we couldn't get Exchange installed because it couldn't write to the Schema (schema master was not restored). Here is my question: we have an empty root (where the schema master lives) that we did NOT restore... and we have our primary domain where users and Exchange lives (this is the domain that we restored). Could I have seized the Schema master role and moved it to the restored (child domain) or should we have restore the root? I am going to try this in the lab this week but I wanted some feedback - past experiences, how some of you would recommend doing this, etc. As always, Thanks! Joe Pelle Senior Infrastructure Architect Information Technology Valassis / IT 19975 Victor Parkway Livonia, MI 48152 Tel 734.591.7324 Fax 734.632.6151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.valassis.com/ <http://www.valassis.com/> This message may include proprietary or protected information. 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