But, my experiments have shown that though you might be able to get rid of WINS for Exchange purposes, the Office team hasn't quite grown past its use.
Outlook (including 2003) has a bit of a hard time finding its mailbox if WINS is not active (or, at least an LMHosts file in place). Rick -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:45 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] _msdcs question >>>> Exchange also is relies on WINS name resolution. You cannot install Exchange without WINS name resolution. If you mean in a multi-domain environment, yes but....... You don't need WINS per se. With appropriate DNS suffixes, you can overcome the NetBIOS resolution limitations that necessitates the WINS requirement. I am not saying don't use WINS or that you can get rid of WINS easily. I am just saying that for purposes like these (Exchange install in a multi-domain environ, or trust establishment, etc), it is not a necessity IF you do the necessary home-work. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Santhosh Sivarajan Sent: Tue 5/31/2005 4:59 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] _msdcs question Deji, I completely understand your point but from my experience, if you don't have NetBIOS name resolution you cannot establish a trust. Also, you need to make sure all the required ports are open between two Domains. (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;179442) Exchange also is relies on WINS name resolution. You cannot install Exchange without WINS name resolution. HTH Santhosh Santhosh Sivarajan MCSE(W2K3/W2K/NT4),MCSA(W2K3/W2K/MSG),CCNA,Network+ Houston, TX On 5/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Santhosh, I don't understand the significance of WINS here, as opposed to > getting DNS resolution properly working. Since he's on W2K3, wouldn't it be > better that he uses a stub of each domain on the other side of the trust (or > even cond fwding for that matter)? Just curious. > > On a similar note, I've noticed that the trust process (and other processes, > like Exchange Server Migration in ADMT) uses NetBIOS lookup instead of doing > an FQDN lookup. One way I do this is to simply create an A record in MY zone > for the DC on the other side. By creating the A record, the query will simply > get handed the record for that DC. This works IF the name of the DC on the > other side is not the same as the name of any of the DC in MY domain. Let me > explain with an example. > > MYDomain wants to trust YOURDomain. YourDomain has a DC called YourDC. During > the trust establishment process, I see a query for YourDC, which of course > does not exist in MyDomain, and because YourDomain is also not on my suffix, > no record is located. > > So, I create an A record for YourDC and give it the true IP of YourDC. So, > now the process goes and query for YourDC (instead of YourDC.YourDomain), it > gets resolved to the YourDC that is located in MyDomain, which happens to be > the same as YourDC.YourDomain. > > > Deji > > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Santhosh Sivarajan > Sent: Tue 5/31/2005 2:07 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] _msdcs question > > > > I don't think you have to do anything with your _msdcs zone. You have > to have WINS name resolution in-order to configure the trust. What is > your WINS configuration? Can you ping both Domain DCs using NetBIOS > and FQDN? > > HTH > Santhosh > > Santhosh Sivarajan > MCSE(W2K3/W2K/NT4),MCSA(W2K3/W2K/MSG),CCNA,Network+ > Houston, TX > > > On 5/31/05, Rimmerman, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > We upgraded our Win2k AD domain to Win2k3 a few months ago. Now I'm > > attempting to set up a two-way trust with an outside Win2k3 domain, and > > I found out that _msdcs.company.com in the Win2k3 domain is at the same > > level as the company.com zone. So I found out this means that they > > build this as a Win2k3 domain rather than upgrading from Win2k. > > > > I found http://support.microsoft.com/?id=817470 on how to reconfigure an > > _msdcs subdomain to a forest-wide DNS application directory partition > > when you upgrade from Win2k to Win2k3, but we haven't done that (didn't > > know about it until just now). > > > > Question is - I want to set up a two-way trust with this win2k3 domain, > > but when I set them up as a secondary zone in our empty root domain, we > > didn't get the _msdcs data since it's just a grey reference folder > > rather than actual data. > > > > How do I get the two-way trust working? 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