<okay I'll shut up after this>

Hey if I post some stupid AD icky thing like 'oh set your server time back to 11/23 and install your DC' feel free to flame me how stupid that one is.

[long story.. Sharepoint issue...and yes that's the stupid thing I posted once upon a time]

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

It's blocked on 2k3. You do this on a 2k3 box and in 7 days you'll be rebooting every hour on the hour.

Truly there have been about three SBS 2k3 boxes that I know of that have had to be flattened due to this.

The MVPs that the original poster was posting about was me in the newsgroups.

And I'm a customer first and foremost who wants to make sure when you the Tech leaves and I hire a new one that the box is left in a legal and supported position.

Tech or no tech, we all have a responsibility to the customer. Bottom line that is unsupported and does put them in an illegal position.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Who said you could talk? :)

Honestly, my position on all this is very simple. I was a tech and have been
hacking solutions a long time before I became an MVP. I will always be a
techie first.

It is MS' responsibility to enforce its EULA, and they have enough resources to do just that. IF I make a categorical statement to a client that something could NOT be done, and the client finds out that it can (but should not) be done, I lose credibility. Whatever I tell them from then on will be taken
with reservations. I am a tech first, then an MVP.

I respect EULA, but the techie in me is more interested in toying with
things. There have been many, many instances when MS has told us that things couldn't be done, where we techies have gone out to do it, and where MS has ended up backtracking and incorporating the product of our curiosity into the mainstream. We chalked it all down to product feedback and improvement. "F6" to load in unsupported drivers was considered an unsupported hack back in 96
or so. HAL switching in system image was (is?) considered a hack and
unsupported. I can't tell you how many ways we had to hack SBS 4.0 back in 97
just so things can work on, say, a system that had no modem. Many of the
things we did went into SBS4.5, although many of them were previously
"unsupported".

Things can be done - it all depends on your patience, persistence and
resourcefulness. Kids have been putting fingers in the fire for a long time -
and kids will continue to do so till eternity - regardless of how often
people warn them about the danger.

The information is publicly out there (with sufficient caveats about EULA
violations, supportability issues, and burning toasters) and, in my very
humble opinion, if MS really doesn't want to see this done, they have access to the source code and have had plenty of time to kill the hack (QFEs, SPs,
killbits, whatever) such that the process can not even be attempted. Or
better still, maybe they can put a fix in so that the hack does not cause
havocs.

I'm done as far as this topic is concerned now.


Sincerely,

Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday?  -anon

________________________________

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Roger Seielstad
Sent: Wed 9/14/2005 5:29 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] SBS Server Question



Yeah, but his MVP is in MSDS (as in Dining Services). We've got pictures to
prove it


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Roger Seielstad
E-mail Geek
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA
aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:52 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] SBS Server Question

EULA dear.

There's Can and there is legal.

No you can't and be legal... and for a MVP shame on you  ;-)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Actually, depending on your level of tolerance for pains, I know that
you can.

http://www.akomolafe.com/Portals/1/Creating%20a%20trust%20relationship%
20betw een%20two%20Small%20Business%20Server%202000%20domains.htm


Sincerely,

Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday?  -anon

________________________________

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sakari Kouti
Sent: Wed 9/14/2005 11:46 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] SBS Server Question



Hi Jose,

No, an SBS domain cannot have trusts, so it cannot be a child domain.

And yes, after you have installed an SBS box, you can install
additional DCs, if they are normal Windows Server 2003 boxes.

Yours, Sakari




-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Medeiros,
Jose
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:47 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] SBS Server Question

Hi Susan,

Since we have an SBS MVP on the Active Dir list, let me ask a
question.

Can I now make an SBS 2003 server a child domain in an AD
2003 forest?

Before you ask why, some one asked me this recently at a Linux users
group meeting, as his company has several remote offices using SBS
2003.

Also on SBS 4.5, one could have a BDC as a backup, can this also be
done with a DC or are you " Sh.T out of luck " when a box fails?

Jose


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