I don't think you've dug yourself out of the hole yet. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:54 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates No slight on intelligence, technical prowess, or anything of that like, Deji. I only meant that I'd rather work through a language barrier discussing technology with people in India or China than to discuss Cisco software products w/ Cisco support reps. It'd be a far more positive experience... :) :m:dsm:cci:mvp marcusoh.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:23 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates >>>I think I'd rather talk miis to some dude in India before engaging a >>>Cisco support rep again Marcus, I can't resist the urge to turn off my lurking mode and ask you to please explain the relevance of the statement above to the scope of this conversation, especially in this public forum. I am holding back the irresistible urge to jump to conclusions, considering the fact that a significant portion of the SMS (where you got your MVP) knowledge out there are contributed by people from that part of the world. Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we know IT www.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 10/11/2005 7:45 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Exactly. My beef too. Let me tell you... there support is less than stellar. I think I'd rather talk miis to some dude in India before engaging a Cisco support rep again. :m:dsm:cci:mvp marcusoh.blogspot.com <http://marcusoh.blogspot.com> ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ayers, Diane Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:21 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates >You ever find that often times the products are already bought before >your input is requested? The better question is when do they ever check with you before they buy a product? Nope... They usually ask someone that has no clue of the impact to the production systems then they bring it to us to "implement" We have Unity and it has had a major impact to our AD environment although I can say that the users (including me) love it's functionality. What irks me more though is the version that we implemented initially had major schema changes and then the subsequent version decide to move a lot of the data from AD to a separate SQL DB. Why didn't they tell me that BEFORE we irrevocably altered the schema. Another good example is Cisco ICM. The version prior to the new 7.x version required a separate domain, required domain admin level privileges to operate and schema changes to forest as well as a litany of other "issues". At least version 7.x will integrate into an existing corporate domain although requires a dedicated OU. I really get nervous with applications that want to create user objects wily-nily in order to operate. Diane ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:52 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Our movement for Cisco Unity was based strictly on a wholesale move to Cisco VoIP solutions all the way around. Apparently there's some cost savings there somewhere. I dunno... regarding the comment joe made about not ever being in your ad environment. Concur 100%. You ever find that often times the products are already bought before your input is requested? I dunno if I have bigger problems with cisco being in the software space or their horrible turnout of applications after they've acquired them. Unity, call manager, etc... one uses ad... one uses dirsync in a proprietary ldap server... odd stuff like that. Not to mention, it took a nda and massive levels of coercion to get cisco to fess up to what the exact permissions were that are required in order for unity to work successfully. That was a good month long ordeal. Unfortunately nda - so I can't really speak or blog on the exact stuff to correct it. Their reasoning? Most admins have no idea how to configure the ACLs properly to support their application. I digress. :m:dsm:cci:mvp marcusoh.blogspot.com <http://marcusoh.blogspot.com/> ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Vander Kooi Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:57 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates The price tag will definitely drop as soon as Microsoft releases Exchange 12 with UM built in. But, it's not THAT expensive today, and there are some great business pluses to it. We had no problems showing ROI on VOIP or UM. ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:14 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates It's a feature with lots of "gee whiz!" appeal, but once people see the price tag, the response is usually "ouch!" We are still waiting for the "year of UM". I'm betting on 2007. :-) ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Crowley [MVP] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:49 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates I think this is definitely a case where Moore's Law hasn't been applicable. It's funny how little this story has changed since I saw the first unified messaging demos (then by Octel) about ten years ago. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!(tm) ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:49 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Entirely your option. :) Windows 3.11 and Windows NT are really not the same product. Note I am not saying I won't use cisco routers because they sucked 12 years ago. As someone else pointed out, software isn't cisco's ball of wax. There is obviously a little bit of a scary point there when you consider though that the IOS is software... Also as you mentioned, it wasn't created or even modified much by cisco. So I don't expect it is much different now than what I saw. ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Vander Kooi Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:37 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates And I will never run Windows because 3.11 just wasn't that great at networking. ;-) ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:42 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Being the best available doesn't make something good and doesn't need a lot of work. :o) It just means it is better than the other sucky alternatives. I haven't seen unity in years but when I last saw it, it had me swearing about how bad it was. I seem to recall saying something along the lines of that will never be in any AD I ever manage. ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Vander Kooi Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:04 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Not sure why you don't like Unity, it's the best unified messaging app there is right now. Actually has been for over 5 years. I believe that the reason it;s as good as it is, is that it was not created or even modified much by Cisco, they simply bought a really good product and left it be for the most part. As for the schema updates, it didn't work. We made the registry change and it did work. I don't see how that would be tied to the app as no changes were made there. But who knows. ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 7:27 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Hmmm. I need to think about that again. I think I only saw this behavior in the lab where all the servers were upgraded instead of wipe and replace. In production, we upgraded initially then did a replacement effort later. More to the point, UGH Cisco Unity... I wish to Christ they'd stick to hardware and stop venturing into software... :m:dsm:cci:mvp marcusoh.blogspot.com <http://marcusoh.blogspot.com/> ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:03 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Was it maybe the app itself disallowing the update? Did you try to just modify the schema to see if it would work? Say change the rangeupper of cn or something like that and then change it back. Something innocuous. ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 5:17 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Yep, same here. I think upgraded scenarios have this. :m:dsm:cci:mvp marcusoh.blogspot.com <http://marcusoh.blogspot.com/> ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Vander Kooi Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:57 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Upgraded. ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:38 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Upgraded to 2003 or fresh install? :m:dsm:cci:mvp marcusoh.blogspot.com <http://marcusoh.blogspot.com/> ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Vander Kooi Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:12 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates I just did this last week to install Cisco Unity and I still had to enable schema updates in Windows 2003 even though the user was in Schema Admins. I was under the same impression as Travis, but after enabling updating in the registry it worked fine. ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:03 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Did you work this out Travis? If not, I would recommend pulling up the sysinternal registry and file monitors as well as tracing the AD calls. ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:59 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] Schema Updates Hi, I am having some problems updating the schema for Avaya Unified Messaging. It is my thinking that in Windows 2003 the schema is already enabled for updates as long as you are in the Schema Admins group. In Windows 2000 you had to enable the Schema to be updated. Am I correct or misguided? Thanks! 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