Al Mulnick wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Deji, but I'll go one or two or three further.
1) QIP? My experience with QIP has not been favorable in past accounts,
but I'll assume it works for you. I've had way to much time invested
that I'll never get back with QIP/AD integration. I'm not saying it
won't work, because it can, but it's way more complex/expensive than
it's worth to me.
QIP is what our datacom people use. We're stuck with it.
2) In the case of AD, unless you have a really good technical and/or
policy reason not to, do like Deji says and make your AD dependent on an
internal DNS host that supports what it needs. Like DDNS and
permissions (security). Best bet here is to make AD the master and let
QIP be secodary if a compromise is needed.
I'd love to do this. The people who manage the network have an intense
'dislike' of Microsoft. When we first built our AD domain we wanted to
implement MS DNS for the DCs. We were told the MS DNS was "crap" and we
couldn't use it. No real reason - just that it was crap. At first they
wanted to manually enter all the DNS information that we wanted for the
DCs. It took a few months to get them to finally allow just the DCs to
use DDNS.
I'm sure that when I report the status on my work updating the test
domain and that the likely cause of the problems I'm seeing is DNS the
stakeholders will start 'whining' again.
I'll pass on status information next week when I get to make some progress.
thanks again for all the help.
al
3) Get joe to send pictures of himself as a Cher look-alike to Deji.
Why? Just because I'm feeling particularly mean this morning. I like
Deji, but I think he needs some abuse for not having been around for a
while. (I know it's extreme, but it's for your own good Deji.) <EG>
Al
On 6/2/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
In this case, you want to point the new DC to an internal DNS server
authoritative for the domain.
To close this - and answer joe's question - yes, it's DNS, silly.
It's always
DNS :). Slow startup, slow GP processing, slow desktop showing up, slow
coffee maker, slow uplifting of skirts - always DNS. Choose a working
INTERNAL DNS server, make netlogon dependent on DNS and 99% of the
trouble is
resolved :o
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on behalf of Al Lilianstrom
Sent: Thu 6/1/2006 7:52 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] New DC can't find the machine account
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mark: why would this be "expected"?
> Al: Who is doing DNS for this DC in question? If you ping a
domain resource
> from that DNS server, does it resolve correctly?
Deji,
DNS for this test domain is provided by our datacom people. It's
Lucent's QIP server on a old slow NT box. According to the guy who
manages it he's a couple of major releases behind on the software. We're
also seeing some other issues with machines in the child domain to this
domain having problems registering their DNS records.
Machines Existing DCs can be resolved and accessed - which confuses me
with the netlogon pausing as the DC when booting should, in my mind,
query the other dc for it's account information - not itself.
al
>
>
> ________________________________
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on behalf of Mark Parris
> Sent: Thu 6/1/2006 7:11 AM
> To: ActiveDir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] New DC can't find the machine account
>
>
>
> Did you see my post last night - this is expected behaviour?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Al Lilianstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:13:20
> To:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
<mailto:To:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] New DC can't find the machine account
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I bet you one crate to a bottle of German beer that your DNS is
out to
> lunch.
>> Every time when I've seen this, it always goes away by kicking a DNS
server
>> somewhere. Check your DNS servers.
>
> I talked to the networking people and the DNS server that is used
for
> our test domains is a couple of major releases out of date and
running
> on really crap hardware.
>
> Building him a new server...
>
> Thanks for all the help.
>
> al
>
>> Sincerely,
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>> Yesterday? -anon
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>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Sent: Wed 5/31/2006 7:53 AM
>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
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>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] New DC can't find the machine account
>>
>>
>>
>> Almeida Pinto, Jorge de wrote:
>>> see if the following helps:
>>>
>
http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=1097&eventno=2126&source=Userenv&p
<http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=1097&eventno=2126&source=Userenv&p>
>> hase=1
>>
>> I had run across that page last night.
>>
>> Time is ok (ntp to local time source)
>> I don't think that both computer accounts are corrupt as they
were ok as
>> simple servers
>> I enabled debug logging for the netlogon service and at the same
time I
>> get the userenv events I get
>>
>> 05/31 09:48:22 [CRITICAL] NetpDcHandlePingResponse:
test.fnal.gov <http://test.fnal.gov>.:
>> Netlogon is paused on the server. 0x14
>>
>> al
>>
>>> Met vriendelijke groeten / Kind regards,
>>> Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto
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>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on behalf of Al Lilianstrom
>>> Sent: Wed 2006-05-31 15:37
>>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
>>> Subject: [ActiveDir] New DC can't find the machine account
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a Windows 2000 based AD (empty root with 1 child domain)
that I'm
>>> in the process of upgrading to w2003r2 as a test for our
production
>>> domain (same configuration). The adprep went fine as well as
the dcpromo
>>> of the new DC. However when the new DC reboots I get the following
>>> messages in the application log:
>>>
>>> EVENT TYPE Error
>>> SOURCE Userenv
>>> EVENT ID 1097
>>> Windows cannot find the machine account, The Local Security
Authority
>>> cannot be contacted .
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> EVENT TYPE Error
>>> SOURCE Userenv
>>> EVENT ID 1030
>>> Windows cannot query for the list of Group Policy objects.
Check the
>>> event log for possible messages previously logged by the policy
engine
>>> that describes the reason for this.
>>>
>>> Neither system has these messages when they were simple servers
in the
>>> domain. They were rebooted several times before becoming DCs to
make
>>> sure the event logs were clean.
>>>
>>> They seem to be functioning as DCs. File replication with the
orginal
>>> w2k dc took a long time to start up.
>>>
>>> I added a second w2k3 r2 DC and it is showing the exact same
messages.
>>> Both machines were created from the same sysprep image - the
machine
>>> that was built as the basis for the sysprep image was never in the
domain.
>>>
>>> I've been searching Microsoft and came up with one or two
applicable
>>> docs. One said to make sure that services like netlogon were
set to
>>> automatic (it is). Another had settings for enabling debug on the
>>> netlogon service which I implemented. All that I see in there is
>>> netlogon pausing.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> al
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